From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Wed Mar 18 03:12:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BB127A9C4 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 03:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@BSDforge.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48hw8V2Hdxz4TL3 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 03:12:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@BSDforge.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 46AFB27A9C3; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 03:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460C427A9C2 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 03:12:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@BSDforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48hw8T3r3rz4TKS for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 03:12:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@BSDforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (localhost [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 02I3D8ot095592 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 20:13:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@BSDforge.com) X-Mailer: Cypht MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: From: Chris Reply-To: bsd-lists@BSDforge.com To: Subject: Re: HEADS UP: importing kyua into the base system Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 20:13:15 -0700 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48hw8T3r3rz4TKS X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.97 / 15.00]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.97)[0.973,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US]; local_wl_ip(0.00)[24.113.41.81] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 03:12:59 -0000 On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 21:19:17 -0500 Kyle Evans kevans@freebsd=2Eorg said > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:14 PM Chris wrote: > > > > On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 16:48:29 +0000 Brooks Davis brooks@freebsd=2Eorg said > > > > > I'll be importing kyua and it's dependency lutok into the base system > > > this week=2E Integrating it into the FreeBSD build system will make it > > > available by default which is especially valuable on emerging > > > architectures were we aren't building packages yet (e=2Eg=2E riscv)=2E > > > > > From the wiki (https://github=2Ecom/jmmv/kyua/wiki/About) > > > > Use cases: New system installation: > > =2E=2E=2E > > When setting up a new server with brand-new hardware, it's very desirab= le > > to ensure a minimum stability of the operating system that runs on top = and > > how it interacts with the hardware=2E > > erm=2E=2E=2E *minimum* stability of the operating system?! > > If this is as mistaken as it appears=2E Someone(tm) might want to run kyu= a > > against the wiki=2E ;) > > >=20 > I believe the point it's trying to make it is that tests aren't > all-inclusive; they will miss things or induce little stress, but > they're a great smoketest to rule out most of the basic issues=2E You > can't really make much stronger claims than this about the stability > of the system based on running a test suite, unless we're talking > stress2 style suites=2E Don't get me wrong=2E I'm not trying to knock kyua=2E But the way I read that sentence seemed to me to be counter to the message they wanted to get acros= s=2E Maybe something like; When setting up a new server with brand-new hardware, it's very desirable to ensure a minimum _impact on the_ stability of the operating system that runs on top and how it interacts with the hardware=2E might have sounded more positive=2E Anyway=2E It read funny to me=2E So somehow thought it worth a mention=2E --Chris