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Date:      Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:48:58 -0600 (CST)
From:      David Scheidt <dscheidt@enteract.com>
To:        Jonathon McKitrick <jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>
Cc:        Technical Information <tech_info@threespace.com>, FreeBSD Chat <chat@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: We got a mention!
Message-ID:  <Pine.NEB.3.96.1000229133121.4156B-100000@shell-1.enteract.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0002291903180.70043-100000@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>

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On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Jonathon McKitrick wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, David Scheidt wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Jonathon McKitrick wrote:
> >
> >> I only hope (and i believe this is true) that there are plenty of
> >> brilliant programmers who can overturn any roadblock M$ puts in front
> >> of other OS's.  Like this Kerberos issue.  What can Unix admins do to
> >> allow unix machines to work with w2k file and print servers now?  M$
> >> is trying to lock them out.  Is there a way around it? 
> >
> >Sure.  Don't use MS software.  Very simple.
> 
> If only it were that simple.  Unix at least recognizes that other OS's

Simple is not equal to easy.  


> may exist, and standards for exchange exist.  Some companies have

If you want things to follow standards, you have to pressure suppliers to
follow them.  Not using purposefully broken software is a start.

> needs that are only served by M$ machines (some e-commerce, special
> purpose apps, and all the secretaries who want to run Word) and they
> need these machines to network with Unix machines.  Unix plays fair,
> M$ doesn't.  But some businesses have already invested in M$
> workstations.  Are you suggesting they all scrap their systems, then
> switch to and re-train on Unix?  That seems unreasonable.  Even many
> of the most passionate of Unix supporters here on this list at least
> admit that it is poor reasoning to assume one OS can do *everything*
> as well as any other OS.  It is unfair that M$ does *not* recognize
> that fact, and makes its software in harmony with that reasoning.

The very few things that UNIX machines don't do for me aren't solved by any
MicroSoft products.  I use UN*X boxes for almost everything.  (I have a
windows box at work, because they make me use exchange.  It gets used much
less than the two UNIX boxes it shares the desk with.)  The only things I
don't have that I would like are a really good spreadsheet-- though I
haven't had a chance to look at gnumeric lately -- and something like Visio.
Everything else I am perfectly happy with the UNIX tools.  I don't play
games, though.

David



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