From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 27 10:21:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05605 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:21:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cyclone.degnet.baynet.de (www.degnet.baynet.de [194.95.214.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA05599 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:21:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malte@webmore.com) Received: from neuron.webmore.com (unverified [194.95.214.178]) by cyclone.degnet.baynet.de (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:23:33 +0200 Received: (from malte@webmore.com) by neuron.webmore.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00551; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:19:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:19:40 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: malte@webmore.com From: Malte Lance To: "Jason C. Wells" Subject: Re: Does it's true? Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Eivind Eklund Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 27-Jun-98 Jason C. Wells wrote: > On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote: > >>where it is considered OK to murder people. (If you, the reader, say >>to yourself that you don't consider it OK, then you'd better be >>actively opposing the use of death penalty - otherwise you've just >>turned your logic off in what you say to yourself) > > This statement presumes that execution is murder. Execution is a lawful > punishment in the United States. > > Not everything that causes death is murder. Not even everything that > causes a wrongful death is murder. In the United States we divvy out > justice based on "mens rea" or criminal intent. A cold blooded killer is > guilty of a capital offense whereas a negligent causer of death is guilty > of a less than capital offensel. In the end in both cases the effect is human life being ended by some action of human beings. I don't think anyone has the right to forcibly end human life except its own. Doing so makes them act on the same low level. And at least it does not help much. Malte. > > The people of the United States reserve the lawful right to punish the > capital offender by death. Until the people change this law, execution > will not be murder. > > It is never OK to murder people. No one in the US will say it is. Of > course, as you can see by my discussion, which act consitutes a murder is > subject to debate. > > Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering > Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ > | 206-633-5994 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Malte Lance Date: 27-Jun-98 Time: 19:11:43 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message