From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 21 13:49:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E930106564A; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:49:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wjw@digiware.nl) Received: from mail.digiware.nl (mail.ip6.digiware.nl [IPv6:2001:4cb8:1:106::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154058FC08; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.digiware.nl [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digiware.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89B0153434; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:49:32 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at digiware.nl Received: from mail.digiware.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rack1.digiware.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SHqVM2wMfVfD; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:49:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (opteron [192.168.10.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.digiware.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42FFC153433; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:49:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C98B7E7.1020403@digiware.nl> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:49:27 +0200 From: Willem Jan Withagen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Chadwick References: <201009011653.o81Grkm4056064@fire.js.berklix.net> <201009011902.06538.hselasky@c2i.net> <4C8627A6.1090308@icyb.net.ua> <4C989989.4050408@icyb.net.ua> <4C98AC42.1040104@digiware.nl> <20100921131610.GA58719@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20100921131610.GA58719@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: vadim_nuclight@mail.ru, freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Andriy Gapon Subject: Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD 6.4 and 8.0 EoLs coming soon X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:49:34 -0000 On 2010-09-21 15:16, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 02:59:46PM +0200, Willem Jan Withagen wrote: >> On 2010-09-21 13:39, {some mysterious person :-)} wrote: >>>> The Project is ultimately about the users, right? There are early signs that >>>> some old FreeBSD users get tired from those changes, those removals, lesser >>>> POLA adherence, marketing-not-technical-stuff for time-not-feature-based >>>> releases, not so stable -STABLE as it used to be, and so on, migrating to >>>> other systems. And older users are more valuable to project than newer ones. >>>> May be it's time to revert to some of thet Old Good Things, if decade-long >>>> project is mostly ended, while those signs are still early and not a strong >>>> tendency?.. Given this thread, I've mentioned earlier about 12 messages in >>>> announce@ from 2002 with such public calls for volunteers - there are several >>>> years already without these. > > Andriy wasn't the one who wrote this. In fact, I'm not sure who the > quote actually came from because I never received the Email it came > from, but I'm under the impression it's from Vadim. My mail spool: My bad for not checking the included reference. I was also very much under the impression that that quote was Vadim's, since it was in completeline with his previous complaints/rants/whining. And yes, your are smart to stay out of the discussion. But this old fart just had too much urge to react. So now I'll just go back to my old lurking state. --WjW