From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 9 22:06:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C987CE5; Wed, 9 Oct 2013 22:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8E3B2A23; Wed, 9 Oct 2013 22:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.17]) by ltcfislmsgpa05.fnfis.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r99M5vKA030832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 9 Oct 2013 17:05:57 -0500 Received: from LTCFISWMSGMB21.FNFIS.com ([169.254.1.103]) by LTCFISWMSGHT06.FNFIS.com ([10.132.206.17]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Wed, 9 Oct 2013 17:05:56 -0500 From: "Teske, Devin" To: Adrian Chadd Subject: Re: rcs Thread-Topic: rcs Thread-Index: AQHOxTu5g7djsM+KPU+NRhFKoPIwlA== Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 22:05:55 +0000 Message-ID: <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D720FC4C854@LTCFISWMSGMB21.FNFIS.com> References: <77307DF8-637D-4295-BF47-8742F1552CE8@orthanc.ca> <20131008031517.GA31864@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <60177810-8DC4-4EA3-8040-A834B79039D2@orthanc.ca> <52538EDC.2080001@freebsd.org> <52541202.3010707@mu.org> <1893399957.20131009013424@serebryakov.spb.ru> <52556567.3090309@mu.org> <5255A041.2080501@cran.org.uk> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.132.253.121] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <19373F0848F83744859187F3648A5AE7@fisglobal.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions=2013-10-09_07:2013-10-09,2013-10-09,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: Bruce Cran , freebsd-current , "Teske, Devin" X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 22:06:03 -0000 On Oct 9, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On 9 October 2013 11:28, Bruce Cran wrote: >=20 >> On 10/9/2013 3:17 PM, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >>=20 >>> Only a few years ago you could take a dvd or memstick of FreeBSD and ha= ve >>> 1000s of packages to choose from during your install. That is broken n= ow? >>>=20 >>=20 >> At some point it was decided that the installer should be as simple as >> possible and package installation was a post-install task, for once the >> system was up and running. I think that might be changing with bsdinstall >> getting pkgng support, but it did seem like a fairly major regression at >> the time. >=20 That wasn't the rationale. sysinstall was broken and more people wanted a replacement than wanted to see it fixed. bsdinstall is simply coming of age still (sysinstall had a 15 year run). >=20 > I think it was more a "this is a stepping stone to a bigger change.." .. > and that didn't happen soon after. >=20 Adrian is right. It was a "first step" (nobody intended to see functionality get dropped -- it's a matter of finding the time to replace a 15-year code line -- sysinstall). Only a very small handful of us are actively working on it. It's further al= ong than you think. You can always help out by testing. > The other thing here is the introduction of the uhm, "livefs". It's big a= nd > it took up the space once occupied by the first set of packages. Honestly, > I'm kinda surprised how big base is these days, but I have other fights to > fight right now. >=20 The livefs is a bee in my bonnet too. But as you say... more pressing things to worry about right now than break something that is working currently. --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware= that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and revie= w by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you.