From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 8 15:18:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE555106564A; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:18:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E638FC1C; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL, from userid 502) id 1520C102CF2D; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 17:06:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: by f12.poczta.interia.pl (Postfix, from userid 502) id 9AE531A5305F; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 17:06:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by f12.poczta.interia.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CEBB1A53053; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 17:06:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: 08 Jun 2010 17:06:37 +0200 From: vermaden Sender: vermaden@interia.pl To: oliver@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-ORIGINATE-IP: 77.112.138.42 X-PRIORITY: 3 X-Mailer: PSE3 Message-Id: <20100608150637.7CEBB1A53053@f12.poczta.interia.pl> X-EMID: 19b40acc Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ports/139483: x11-fm/thunar name is in lowercase while package name is in uppercase X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:18:07 -0000 > I agree with you that this is a bit inconsistent and this had > been done right in the first place when the port was created. > But changing it now - I fear to much problems which may occur by very les= s > gain on th eother hand and this is why I'll not change the package name. I also agree with You mate, backward compatibility is very important, but so is consistency, at least from logical point of view. Maybe we should 'leave it as it is' for next 'BIG' release, or at least till next 'POINT' release (like 8.1-RELEASE for example), and the put all needed info in RELEASE NOTES, that during restructuring the PORTS tree infrastructure all ports were changes to _lowercase_ to make ports tree more consistent and logical, or at least a single package can be lowercase/UPPERCASE in its 'world' treated the same, (lowercase or UPPERCASE but not other). The same of course goes to many other ports, like TeTeX* ports, there are no tetex* ports of course, but using TeTeX name can be VERY misleading ... and I am a long time FreeBSD user/admin. With all respect to TeX 'way' of writing, it should be lowercase. I do not want to 'force' or should I use more appreciate word like 'bring back to order' word, to make it just better. I do not like all the mess in the Linux world, and its pity, that many of us are pointing Linux the mess while we are not 'clear' at the same time. Sorry for CC'ing that message into CURRENT/STABLE MLs, but I just feel that we need to do something about it, to make the FreeBSD (or ports) ecosystem better. For me this change does not mean much, I already KNOW that I must tyle TeTeX or Thunar in the CLI, but think about so many newcomers or just people who did not add that port earlier, its just not logical/consistent, to leave that case 'as is'. As I stated at the beginning, backward compatibility is also very important, so we may 'resolve' that problem in two ways generally, or maybe someone with bigger head then mine come with better solution. 1. Just rename ports to lowercase both in ports and packages with appreciate info in RELEASE NOTES, for some *-RELEASE (8.1-RELEASE comes into my mind of course, or some DOT ZERO release, that will be 9.0-RELEASE in 2012, which may be not so needed delay for that kind of annoucement). 2. Create BOTH lowercase/UPPERCASE/Various packages names both in ports (metaports) and packages (will take disk space), for some time and ANNOUNCE in RELEASE NOTES, that these 'other then lowercase' ports/packages are available only until next release. With all regards to developers/maintainers time, vermaden ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Najlepsza wyszukiwarka tanich lotow! Sprawdz >>> http://linkint.pl/f2726