From owner-freebsd-rc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 11 21:01:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-rc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC0F1065670; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) Received: from duck.symmetricom.us (duck.symmetricom.us [206.168.13.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2942D8FC1B; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from damnhippie.dyndns.org (daffy.symmetricom.us [206.168.13.218]) by duck.symmetricom.us (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8BL1Rn7009456; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:01:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) Received: from [172.22.42.240] (revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240]) by damnhippie.dyndns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q8BL1PWm049896; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:01:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) From: Ian Lepore To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20120911200925.GA88456@dragon.NUXI.org> References: <50453686.9090100@FreeBSD.org> <20120904220754.GA3643@server.rulingia.com> <20120906174247.GB13179@dragon.NUXI.org> <20120906230157.5307a21f@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120906224703.GD89120@x96.org> <50493480.8060307@FreeBSD.org> <20120911061530.GA77399@dragon.NUXI.org> <504EDC67.9070700@FreeBSD.org> <86sjao7q8c.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20120911205302.27484fd6@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120911200925.GA88456@dragon.NUXI.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:01:25 -0600 Message-ID: <1347397285.1110.15.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Arthur Mesh , Barton , freebsd-rc@FreeBSD.ORG, RW , Doug, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav Subject: Re: svn commit: r239569 - head/etc/rc.d X-BeenThere: freebsd-rc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion related to /etc/rc.d design and implementation." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:01:31 -0000 On Tue, 2012-09-11 at 13:09 -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > > Good to see someone have thoughts on this. > I've only seen it stated that entropy passes thru mostly "untouched" > thru > a cryptographic hash in the literature. I haven't seen anything > mentioned > about entropy thru a compression algorithm other than as an estimation > of entropy. I would expect that a lossless compression scheme by definition could not destroy entropy, it could only change the way it's encoded. Whether the same might be true of a hash is an interesting question, since it discards information rather than just changing the way it's encoded. -- Ian