Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2025 11:57:14 +0300 From: Vadim Goncharov <vadimnuclight@gmail.com> To: Sulev-Madis Silber <freebsd-hackers-freebsd-org952@ketas.si.pri.ee> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CBOR (Was: My experiences with Rust) Message-ID: <20250826115714.67bca22b@nuclight.lan> In-Reply-To: <E5D68219-CCC4-4D74-B3E9-17AC092F4068@ketas.si.pri.ee> References: <aKiWZ1I3pqZSOsfk@kib.kiev.ua> <202508221712.57MHCPDl008201@critter.freebsd.dk> <E04D6E14-8EA1-446B-8C9C-762C9956F6D5@FreeBSD.org> <20250822214848.25569826@nuclight.lan> <202508221937.57MJbBtK008806@critter.freebsd.dk> <20250823002942.305119b2@nuclight.lan> <202508222133.57MLXtAA009189@critter.freebsd.dk> <20250823073225.ecf498cc3e7a6dcb68ccc3c8@dec.sakura.ne.jp> <1614139543.20250823141311@yahoo.com> <A56F576C-6748-47E1-91AA-8A33D20DFD19@blackskyresearch.net> <277027377.20250825132929@yahoo.com> <EFD5963A-347F-4DCB-9EAB-34A43AD59764@blackskyresearch.net> <20250825213703.0570107f@nuclight.lan> <E5D68219-CCC4-4D74-B3E9-17AC092F4068@ketas.si.pri.ee>
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 05:09:46 +0300 Sulev-Madis Silber <freebsd-hackers-freebsd-org952@ketas.si.pri.ee> wrote: > when i finger the old sw and hw, same patterns appear. things could use > binary. things could be secured with deprecated methods. both will lead to > loss of access. your conversion program could get lost. what if in future, > my current favorite, json is also outdated and in same position of xml. but > those things you could at least read and parse with your own eyes. sure, at > some point the efficiency will maybe lead to binary formats but this is at > loss of use in future. i bet if we still have people messing with data in > future, i can already hear them yelling who was that asshole that created > all this. since it's usage loss, it's even easy to forget it was for some > greater good. even compression algorithms fail. ever had that feeling, phew, > at least this thing uses *TEXT*. i can read it with standard tools? even if > the output sucks balls. at least it's understandable. unsure if this > justifies text only outputs but be prepared that somebody either discards or > just curses a lot on your binary formats as much as you and i do now. the > problem is in extra tools you need to invent to read all. yeah one could > argue that maybe even ascii text is special binary format, we just still > have tools to "get" it. but that thing has at least lasted for so long. > along with c programming language and so on. why did they last? nothing > really bad lasts. so maybe it was good? maybe people found it > understandable? i have no idea how future will be. but some of those things > are older than me and i can still understand them. why? it's all plain > text!!! that one we view as bad and inefficient and what not. it all doesn't > matter if you can't parse it Your wall of something looking like ASCII text is completely unreadable. Could you rewrite it into something more understandable / structured? -- WBR, @nuclight
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