From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 13 23:33:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D717516A40A for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 23:33:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@tomjudge.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3AABA13C455 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 23:33:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@tomjudge.com) Received: (qmail 58626 invoked from network); 13 May 2007 23:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (thomasjudge@btinternet.com@86.140.150.175 with plain) by smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2007 23:07:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _slP1pUVM1kCgrvttlwjM3Qhzh9Dg2vD8x9QINsNW4izx9wA Message-ID: <46479A4A.1070103@tomjudge.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:07:54 +0100 From: Tom Judge User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?RGFnLUVybGluZyBTbcO4cmdyYXY=?= References: <20070512004209.GA12218@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <17989.8202.624522.136573@bhuda.mired.org> <20070512090935.GA13929@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <86r6pkzhso.fsf@dwp.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86r6pkzhso.fsf@dwp.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Mike Meyer , Michel Talon Subject: Re: DPS Initial Ideas X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 23:33:42 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Michel Talon writes: >> Seriously, the FreeBSD package system is in great need of a profound >> overhaul, pretending it works well is complete denial of reality. > > Perhaps, but I seriously doubt that you are the correct person for the > job. > > DES This is exactly the kind of response that will push people away from the project/community. If everyone that suggests some change that a respected member of the community did not like and then said member sent a response like this I would guess that people would stop suggesting any changes/features. It is this kind of attitude that will drive new blood away from the project. I thought the idea was to try to encourage people to make improvements to the project rather than to drive them away. BTW I am not saying that any of the ideas that have been discussed in this thread are good or bad, just that this kind of response seems to be against the ethos of the project. Just my 2p Tom