From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 24 17:39:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA27113 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27108 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA04025; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:38:50 -0800 (PST) To: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Replacing sendmail (Re: non-root users binding to ports < 1024 (was: Re: BoS: Exploit for sendmail smtpd bug (ver. 8.7-8.8.2 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 Nov 1996 18:47:44 CST." <199611250047.SAA08340@bonkers.taronga.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:38:50 -0800 Message-ID: <4023.848885930@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > But... OK, fine, y'all are so used to sendmail you can't imagine using > anything else. Subject dropped. I'm happy to drop the subject too, but just to note that this is not a lack of imagination at work - this is simply a QA problem. We're conservative, and sendmail is what we've been using for over a decade, with or without all the holes. When there are a sufficient number of ISPs and other folks using qmail who can support eachother rather than asking us (and we don't know qmail), then we can talk again. For the record, I hate sendmail and think that it's some of the most flawed software ever written. If there is ever a war crimes tribunal convened for people who've done the most to allow crackers to penetrate UNIX systems, Eric Allman's neck will be first into the noose. But that doesn't matter. sendmail is ubiquitous, qmail is not, end of story. We might just as well debate the merits of BETAMAX vs VHS - you'd be technically correct to defend BETA, but who'd care? Jordan