Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:00:45 -0700 From: Kent Stewart <kstewart@3-cities.com> To: Gary Kline <kline@tera.com> Cc: Brennan W Stehling <brennan@offwhite.net>, Generic Player <generic@unitedtamers.com>, Mark Ovens <mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IE for FreeBSD Petition Message-ID: <392D947D.C76C56B7@3-cities.com> References: <000901bfc4f7$21df1ee0$0100a8c0@x> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0005250858310.47584-100000@home.offwhite.net> <20000525104927.C4538@athena.sea.tera.com>
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Gary Kline wrote: > > On Thu, May 25, 2000 at 09:10:51AM -0500, Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > I use MacOS and FreeBSD as an alternative to Windows and Microsoft > > software because I prefer it. I also do it to avoid MS software because I > > do not wnat to support that company in any way. > > > > Conversely, I purchase (not pirate) copies of MacOS to support Apple. I > > also purchase FreeBSD products from cdrom.com and clothing from > > copyleft.net. It is all about voting with my dollar bill. > > > > The reason MS stays on top is that people keep on buying and using their > > software. The create proprietary formats and people call them the > > standards (Excel for spreadsheets and Word for word processing). With > > that in place it is hard to alternatives to gain ground unless there is an > > element which simply does not use MS software and uses alternatives like > > Star Office, Gnome or KDE applications. > > > [[ ... ]] > > > > > Sure the "MS Sux" attitude is childish, but if these people presented > > themselves in a better way, perhaps you would agree with them. > > > > Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin > > projects: www.greasydaemon.com | www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com > > > > I believe this says it as succiently as possible! Some of > you may have read about my Unix-bigotry in DaemonNews years > ago. The main reason to support this paradigm is simply > becausee of its superiority; another reason is to knock > M$oft down a few notches. I don't completely agree but getting 8 out of 10 point from me is pretty good. You can always find fault with something. Whether it matters or not depends on whether it impacts you in some way. I try to go with the least irritation setup. I've semi-seriously joked that if a product has 3 or more bugs, I will see one of them. Timing wise, it is better to have that occur during beta testing. Having to boot Win98 to listen to a training video works but it still bugs me. None of the companies I've worked with ever used a (i)Mac but if that was their main desktop computer I would have one. MS has gotten to the point that there really isn't any competition. I think this point is reached at 60% of a market and they are well beyond that. The iMac has changed that but I don't have any idea about the amount. I think they need competition and that is why I have started devoting my time to FreeBSD. They can't buy and kill a free product. The response time from a developer is much better. You can even trade email with them. When is the last time you talked to a MS developer. I found a bug in Win98 two weeks after it was released but it wasn't fixed until 98se. System Information thought I had 12 126TB disk drives when I tried to print my system information. I encountered others but someone else already had credit for finding them. It doesn't do any good to complain about the lack of contact because you are bashing MS at that point and their hearing protector's flap shut. I occasionly run IE5 on my Windows systems because I can leave it up for hours. Netscape goes catatonic after 3 or 4 hours and you have to kill the process and restart it. You only loose your in memory bookmarks. A minor irritant mostly. When it occurs a couple of times in a single session, it is more than a minor irritant and up comes IE5. I still like Navigator's look and feel better than IE5 and it looks almost the same on FreeBSD. > > Supporting the Freenix movement by shelling out a few dollars/year > for CD's is a start; volunteering your time and labor is that > much better; buying CD's and volunteering is better still. I have a subscription to the CD's. The real question at this point is whether I renew my MSDN Enterprise subscription. I've used FreeBSD a lot more this year and I'm close to being satisfied with the environment :). At this point, I've made thing run on FreeBSD because of access to both gdb and MS' visual debugger. Neither one could find one of my conversion problems (an old CF77 program with 277 subroutines) in a timely matter but between them, I figure I saved days. Kent To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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