From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 18:28:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A21C0F79 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lb1-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net (lb1-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net [194.109.24.22]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 325641606 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home ([83.162.243.5]) by smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net with ESMTP id ZWUe1p00607iGuj01WUfq1; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:28:39 +0100 Received: by slackbox.erewhon.home (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 391BF123DB; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:28:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:28:38 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Valeri Galtsev Subject: Re: Xwindow advise needed Message-ID: <20141229182838.GA1270@slackbox.erewhon.home> Mail-Followup-To: Valeri Galtsev , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <55358.128.135.70.2.1419874589.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <55358.128.135.70.2.1419874589.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:28:48 -0000 --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:36:29AM -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Dear All, >=20 > I just upgraded my workstation from 10.0 to 10.1. Which made me to make > "step up" from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3. And after a few days of frustration > (which was just trying to do the work on workstation as usually) I > realized that I'm not ready to join ipad generation yet. :-) > I don't think there is any need to describe all that displeases (to use > polite word) someone who attempts to do this transition. Your comments made me glad I gave steered clear of desktop environments! > I wonder if some of you can suggest some alternative to gnome 3. Basicall= y, > I really like logical tree-like arrangement of tolls we had in Xwindow si= nce > its very origin (though we are made to use search instead of brain these > days). I do not like most of the fanciness that had been added in a step > from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3. Because each particular one ends up taking more = of > my time doing what I need to do. Do you require a complete desktop environment? Or would a plain old window manager be sufficient? Because they are pretty lightweight and responsive. I've used fvwm2 (/usr/ports/x11-wm/fvwm2, http://www.fvwm.org/) for many ye= ars before switching to i3 (/usr/ports/x11-wm/i3, https://i3wm.org/), a tiling window manager, in 2012. Both work fine and have "workspaces" (virtual screens to group windows), but i3 keeps my screen uncluttered. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAABAgAGBQJUoZ1WAAoJEED21dyjijPg60gP/3uWAZj+e8Bh7BpzhGM3Yu1O ATEFbcKvOzTw2p0SkEvMAGCAgUZIPRAQipLFKMtGijx+lIwLzzcqT786sabczxEi sg2SFLOl+gWNfNmHWl9U/tr+xOjURviDO6nBVC0d0G1VsqKL+FCWAX5R1NQi+2p8 1BUbSHwGxmSV3FE/Ve+ndpwTNeJKKA5GgQV701TQRHkI6j26ovTkGTPM8rK7aEr+ Hf+TJgwnwMq6UpfyqYFLgYxhg+/UK7AoQ32Ix3QhyWWznZjce1yIka8EcqNu8imA u4z1QtidC1EtNnqjGpp9GF1/mSpSA5eb5yt0RiGtmpbxVhHUDqmIpmY3WziiuPTz xmcnNe5YV994rIpr1pMhNGLkphE0GQyQBSkdm5Rm5F7CY5fx9s0EeIVnBvpl1n6h W7jFmBsT2Pdo96siotjV0kXUTa/ANNw/JsDoao61JJrHS1Qu8xGCNKdcyEu4IhTv fMKjgEscPdw3xUJWdfkMUkFbEwu4iYA5kfDjmbqWOCmOzDGLoRkCFXvRNPf1Yt7g j5fX7P4iqDce8TczidpGhrLc2HKZA8LZHoyLhsawxkkSGZEdE4aUnMMyOR8gX570 EV9LuWcMXbfu2bhEm601ITDhtTw5UUfGji+1tGrrD+TIqVBNBLlBSpdB66daUANu dIJDyNi9ai5lPt670Ird =eu6n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3--