From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sun Apr 16 06:47:21 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37500D40287; Sun, 16 Apr 2017 06:47:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pf0-x236.google.com (mail-pf0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07C8EBFC; Sun, 16 Apr 2017 06:47:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pf0-x236.google.com with SMTP id c198so54623528pfc.1; Sat, 15 Apr 2017 23:47:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=GY0BOWWl7Pie0xv8lYNGwWTvp9YgO+sJUabxJAEK4jI=; b=N9V51k7qCKiLJaawwn+3yxlJ+kWOeil1t4fLXtIgbk/BmXDpsqAPBPIpprbfbOAN37 GJ0ouo8h0PZ1KEK1OScyxk4WhkZKPTHle+BETEUDWFCIHibRAdD7RhswcdvK+IgvX+SR 6O9h9iJlzfkrarhHT/jF3K9b4CVdKdZnvHj4YrNPIgeURACgZMQNQgptXuUbYJDcR+1c OeGD5v0eRivntkOgsffNHPK7kOCg02CDuZRNUtB4vSxD4FiBMgqQOQSqGIsjogfGctvB Fhxa9h8qWg/8Nrr48cK1xF4q5M4pEi+V38mbKBOSyv7YMIPNg2sCl+xtgIST3Yr1sZr+ dMbw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GY0BOWWl7Pie0xv8lYNGwWTvp9YgO+sJUabxJAEK4jI=; b=IhHIWhFtmn3mwuF4mY+CE+OUU2ewlYlF987amplm0641ZeWaALZIQEuMC7FgBhBXGs 2CenNR4MMsRbSPWUWPaTP4toPuhsye/mOTi5jqeyIn11XgnWj8hs1kOyo4ji4XGDKwt6 SAF3svLkAfHlXx/ku/brD+w523awVqnqcLgfGqNqgQpz05MK/RbYgsF5k5JjNCOpOudx u1M8jS5xG0QASxE6SsSKURSVrY+TJQhQaLUYUEVv1C/XDxFOVwBKscuS2OACuv0fgDoL dCXF/M7NTeJ/D5QnCezwIZjc4nNce54Ywc+nSQr2gGaJRAY3mtlggv4uY/VphB/sQYXn Pi4Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/5wHFAC70hG4vMJcNAwfty+btLLNFNpUEUd+Ed2kpaqnQmE5T/k iw4R5TYDCmbnaVAnyQveSNKMmWs6f5NwGRs= X-Received: by 10.84.175.67 with SMTP id s61mr7681394plb.126.1492325240586; Sat, 15 Apr 2017 23:47:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: kob6558@gmail.com Received: by 10.100.138.15 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Apr 2017 23:47:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20170416075542.022a6902@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> References: <201704152003.v3FK3o3w002356@repo.freebsd.org> <20170415222136.6c58a00d@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20170416075542.022a6902@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> From: Kevin Oberman Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 23:47:19 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: RCRAKx3Jwd14RMnvRraj9LV7cFg Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r316977 - head/sys/dev/syscons To: "O. Hartmann" Cc: Conrad Meyer , FreeBSD CURRENT , svn-src-head@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2017 06:47:21 -0000 On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:55 PM, O. Hartmann wrote: > Am Sat, 15 Apr 2017 18:00:18 -0700 > Conrad Meyer schrieb: > > > On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:21 PM, O. Hartmann > wrote: > > > Am Sat, 15 Apr 2017 20:03:50 +0000 (UTC) > > > Bruce Evans schrieb: > > > > > >> Author: bde > > >> Date: Sat Apr 15 20:03:50 2017 > > >> New Revision: 316977 > > >> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/316977 > > > > > > There is a lot of development going on theses days for syscons. What's > about vt()? > > > vt() is considered broken for x11/nvidia-driver and vt() is considered > a requirement > > > when UEFI is boot scheme, isn't it? > > > > > > I'm just curious. > > > > Hi O., > > > > Bruce uses syscons and cares enough to improve it. He likely does not > > care about UEFI and definitely does not care about vt. I don't think > > there's anything wrong with that. We can't force volunteers to work > > on things they are not interested in. > > > > Best, > > Conrad > > Hello Conrad, happy easter. > > There is and was never intention to apply "force", it is a question as I'm > curious about > what's going on with vt() - no personally bound to B. Evans or anybody > else - I just took > the chance to comment/ask on that subject when I saw postings. > > Maybe not the right place to spread some thinkings. > > Regards, > > Oliver Hartmann > vt(4) is not a pleasant thing to look at. I am not implying that it is bad code or badly done. I am just saying that it is pretty gnarly and is not the sort of thing most enjoy dealing with. I got the distinct feeling that ray@ found the job much uglier than he anticipated when he took the Foundation commission to write it. Since then it has been widely disparaged for the things that it does not do, but I am not aware that anyone has gotten further than looking at what is needed and then running far away.Some day someone (or some company) will get sufficiently inspired to either re-write if or add the missing features. I have no idea when that might happen, though. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683