From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Tue Aug 23 11:02:05 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4282BBC2E80 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 11:02:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@e-new.0x20.net) Received: from mail.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [IPv6:2001:aa8:fffb:1::3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "0x20.net", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 DV Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4BF3151E; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 11:02:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@e-new.0x20.net) Received: from e-new.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [IPv6:2001:aa8:fffb:1::3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.0x20.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D815D6E0081; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 13:02:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from e-new.0x20.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by e-new.0x20.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id u7NB20QQ012798; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 13:02:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from lars@e-new.0x20.net) Received: (from lars@localhost) by e-new.0x20.net (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id u7NB1x5O011659; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 13:01:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from lars) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 13:01:59 +0200 From: Lars Engels To: Slawa Olhovchenkov Cc: Lars Engels , Andrea Brancatelli , Kubilay Kocak , Erich Dollansky , freebsd-stable Subject: Re: Benchmarks results for FreeBSD 11 Message-ID: <20160823110159.GU18643@e-new.0x20.net> References: <20160819073422.4292997b@X220.alogt.com> <20160821144505.27c0f55d@X220.alogt.com> <827183a944ee4052649c152d65204444@schema31.it> <20160822101423.GF18643@e-new.0x20.net> <20160822120215.GV22212@zxy.spb.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hN1XGyM8GoU8K2XL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160822120215.GV22212@zxy.spb.ru> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 7.4 X-Operation-System: FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE-p23 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 11:02:05 -0000 --hN1XGyM8GoU8K2XL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 03:02:15PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 12:14:23PM +0200, Lars Engels wrote: >=20 > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 11:48:46AM +0200, Andrea Brancatelli wrote: > > > Il 2016-08-21 08:45 Erich Dollansky ha scritto: > > >=20 > > > > I am sure that some know of this site: > > > >=20 > > > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Darticle&item=3D2bsd-7linux-= bench&num=3D4 > > > >=20 > > > > I wonder about the results for FreeBSD. As I do not have 11 on my= =20 > > > > machines, a stupid question. Are there still some debugging aids=20 > > > > enabled in 11? =20 > > > > They're off in those versions, but did note compiler (and compiler > > > > args) differences between within most tests (See attachments) as you > > > > mentioned. > > > the benchmark then compares the off-the-shelve distributions.=20 > > >=20 > > > Excuse me, as a casual reader of the list, I don't get this "critique= ".=20 > > >=20 > > > I never recompile my installations, I just use them from the > > > installation CD (as probably 90% of the rest of the world), so I don't > > > get what is wrong with the approach of comparing an out-of-the-box > > > FreeBSD 11 with an out-of-the-box Ubuntu whatever.=20 > > >=20 > > > If FreeBSD 11 "out-the-box" performs slow because the standard compil= ers > > > options aren't good it's not a problem with the benchmarking platform > > > but with the default CD compiling options.=20 > > >=20 > > > Am I getting it wrong?=20 > >=20 > > The problem here is that Phoronix took a Beta version of FreeBSD 11. > > Beta versions have a lot of debugging (malloc, invariants, witness) > > options enabled which make it significantly slower than release > > versions. This is even obviously when you run a Beta as a desktop. It > > just feels much slower. >=20 > No. > All debugs in amd64 is off at time of BETA. Ok, then FreeBSD is just slower... --hN1XGyM8GoU8K2XL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQF8BAEBCgBmBQJXvC0nXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ4RjQwMDE3RTRERjUzMTI1N0FGRTUxNDlF NTRDQjM3RDNBMDg5RDZEAAoJEOVMs306CJ1tToUH/15tsj3zgUM6WmPUndLcDhoe FyeuXf7+kpFhk7OLyem0EYQab1v6cizU/sS8Af2iv8lVljEKHMff+PwLgPy00LZX m27NlnbbnOUuvkF089IIkz70Zxw7eX/qjCXf4gPg0gWmrNhCzEZ/EtNp+2evj3CC GdFUsp2jiajrGyZqFjcfJccN2Zo7HzPvMiinUtHbXuhvxa++LtGWDrSzH4wUU9GB mRkkTr1Yah3GVug+8bC3LHbBwF61YdzGotMPHRmNZmO9TdapUsTi5IA6/3o11cLd FAkwNyx2Yi8NCKzQCfFrCq7SwMpekPDhZUPCoBE62VXURbTpSq1EuY/HSUafASU= =Tlpx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hN1XGyM8GoU8K2XL--