From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 11 7: 8:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911DC15127 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:08:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marko@uk.radan.com) Received: from [158.152.75.22] (helo=uk.radan.com) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10hDCS-000BnU-0B; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:08:01 +0000 Organisation: Radan Computational Ltd., Bath, UK. Phone: +44-1225-320320 Fax: +44-1225-320311 Received: from support-3.uk.radan.com (support-3 [193.114.228.220]) by uk.radan.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id PAA03791; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:07:53 +0100 Received: from uk.radan.com by support-3.uk.radan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA11872; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:07:21 +0100 Message-ID: <37383950.AE14A41D@uk.radan.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:06:08 +0100 From: Mark Ovens Organization: Radan Computational Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mavery@mail.otherwhen.com Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Europe says yes to spam References: <199905111355.IAA15943@hostigos.otherwhen.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Avery wrote: > > On 11 May 99, at 10:03, Mark Ovens wrote: > > > Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > > > Just saw this on the aussie-isp list. > > > > > The European Parliament has voted to legalise spam. The European > > > > Internet Service Providers Association (EuroISPA) campaigned against > > > > the idea, a UK MEP made a passionate speech to ban junk email and > > > > nobody spoke in favour of it. Despite this, it was passed 266 votes to > > > > 137. A clause to ban the harvesting of email addresses from newsgroups > > > > and web sites was removed before the bill was passed. > > > :-(. Mind you, about 90% of the spam I receive comes from the USA so > > I'm not sure what good it would have done had they voted the other > > way. Many (most?) of this junk e-mail includes a statement that under some > > Bill or other it is not classed as spam. Obviously the US legislators use > > a different definition of spam/junk e-mail to those of us in the real > > world. > > Not really. The law that is referred to hasn't been passed, so it > isn't a law. At least not yet. Also, the law, if passed, prohibits > forging addresses and requires that the spam has a *WORKING* opt- > out mechanism. All the ones I've seen have neither. > > Their comment about being in compliance with the law are as > specious as those made by many anti-spam people who threaten to > charge spammers service fees. In the end, neither has a firm > connection to reality. > > > There is also another law being proposed by the EU which would make > > the local caching of Web pages by ISP's effectively illegal (something > > related to copyright IIRC). > > *sigh* We may need to have a "stupid politician" contest. Nah, there would be too many winners ;-) > Of course, if we notify the honorees, they might consider > it a compliment. > > However, based on my limited knowledge of copyright laws, I would > think that if the material provider approved caching of their > material, it would become a "fair use". As I recall, there is a HTML > flag that indicates whether a page may be cached. So the furor may > be a "non-issue". The only big issue here is that copyright laws are > often enforceable by international treaty.... so some poor net-admin > on the other side of the planet could be hassled for no good reason. > > > > > Net users are required to register with national opt-out lists if they > > > > do not wish to receive junk email. > > If it worked, I'd sign up in a heartbeat. > Ditto > Mike > > ====================================================================== > Mike Avery MAvery@mail.otherwhen.com > (409)-842-2942 (work) > ICQ: 16241692 > > * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * > > A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: > Karaoke is a Japanese word meaning "tone deaf". > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~markov _______________________________________________________________ Mark Ovens, CNC Apps Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd. Bath UK CAD/CAM solutions for Sheetmetal Working Industry mailto:marko@uk.radan.com http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message