From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 10 10:59:52 2010 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43347106566B for <freebsd-java@freebsd.org>; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:59:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com) Received: from smadev.internal.net (host3.dynacom.ondsl.gr [62.103.35.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585E18FC12 for <freebsd-java@freebsd.org>; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smadev.internal.net (localhost.internal.net [127.0.0.1]) by smadev.internal.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o8AAxmUU008985 for <freebsd-java@freebsd.org>; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:59:48 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by smadev.internal.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id o8AAxmxW008984 for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:59:48 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com) From: Achilleas Mantzios <achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com> Organization: Dynacom Tankers Mgmt To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:59:47 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <AANLkTi=7sTm12NUdAeRrX1ZUsSveS9k7dk=hc+gWV9jK@mail.gmail.com> <86pqwmlhdu.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <AANLkTinmfMdYUpNGKCCAX1cE7pZJDFC07BoRsQ9XxhsA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinmfMdYUpNGKCCAX1cE7pZJDFC07BoRsQ9XxhsA@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201009101359.47881.achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com> Subject: Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD <freebsd-java.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java>, <mailto:freebsd-java-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-java> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-java@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-java-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java>, <mailto:freebsd-java-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:59:52 -0000 =46or anyone having invested in java in the browser (aka applets) in the la= st 10 years, this thing will definitely come back and bite us. Anyway, Whats the status of the java plugin in firefox 3.6 in the linux wor= ld? You can always run a linux inside FreeBSD's virtualbox. (i am doing it righ= t now and it rocks!!!) =CE=A3=CF=84=CE=B9=CF=82 Friday 10 September 2010 13:38:00 =CE=BF/=CE=B7 Ju= les Gilbert =CE=AD=CE=B3=CF=81=CE=B1=CF=88=CE=B5: > Look, I'm just a user. I'm not a Java developer, not a language > developer, not a run-time specialist. But folks, we got problems! I > say this because it's becoming really hard to make Java run on a > browser. >=20 > I didn't even know that Google and Oracle weren't getting along, I > really am out of date. (All I do is code.) >=20 > But here's the thing: almost no one can make a java enabled browser, > and lot's of us need exactly that, java running on our browsers. So > obviously this means that something is seriously wrong -- and worse, > when I asked "how", no one came back and said "Oh, you obviously > didn't install such-and-such a patch, do that and everything will > work." No, and worse, the responses are all about possible solutions > in the distant not-known-when-and-only-maybe future. >=20 > I do think we should all get behind this Beat fellow, he's > beat@freebsd.org, his work seems closest to bringing up a java-enabled > browser, with zero or at least few problems. >=20 > --jg >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Randal L. Schwartz > <merlyn@stonehenge.com> wrote: > >>>>>> "Jules" =3D=3D Jules Gilbert <jules.stocks@gmail.com> writes: > > > > Jules> Now an opinion. =A0If Oracle isn't going to help us, we should l= ook > > Jules> around for an alternative, even inventing something else, someth= ing > > Jules> that isn't Sun/Oracle/Java. > > > > You mean something that looks like Java but isn't Java? > > > > That's precisely what the Oracle v. Google suit is about. =A0Dangerous > > road to go down at this point. > > > > Or do you mean something that isn't even Java, but has a lot of > > Java-like features? > > > > I think you're describing "everything else already available in > > production". =A0Plenty of choices. > > > > -- > > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 = 0095 > > <merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > > See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discus= sion > > >=20 >=20 >=20 =2D-=20 Achilleas Mantzios