From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 05:50:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0055416A4CF for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 05:50:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pd3mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A9643D1F for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 05:50:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flowers@users.sourceforge.net) Received: from pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.110]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I8100FS247R0Q80@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:50:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.152]) by pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I8100C3X47RKG70@pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:50:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from sirius (S0106000c41b2b9a3.cg.shawcable.net [68.144.45.143]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with SMTP id <0I810042P47QNN@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:50:15 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:50:23 -0700 From: Dan MacMillan In-reply-to: <1101876277.41ad4c35e3deb@imp1-q.free.fr> To: Rahul Siddharthan , Brad Knowles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal cc: Chris Pressey cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: RE: The beastie boot menu. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 05:50:18 -0000 From: Rahul Siddharthan > Brad Knowles wrote: > > You see more crime in New York City than you do in Norman > > Oklahoma. Most of that is due to the fact that NYC proper has > > something like eight million people living there, while the > > population of Norman is just under 100,000, when all the University > > students are in town and attending classes. > > Bad example. You see less crime in New York City, post-1990 anyway, > than in many smaller cities like Baltimore and Chicago. And even in > NYC you see more crime in the low-density suburbs and less in > high-density Manhattan. > > Kris and others: let's leave Dragonfly out of it. Nobody mentioned > Dragonfly, except me in my first posting, and that was only to say that > the boot menu lives on. Nobody's advocating Dragonfly to end-users and > certainly not to production environments yet. > > The concerns about FreeBSD started to grow well before Dragonfly. > The specific concern I raised was that nobody who matters cares about > user-friendliness. This thread seems to confirm that. I suspect > that all those who used to care about it now work for Apple... ... and now they don't anymore ;) -- Danny MacMillan