From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 28 19:13:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC271065670; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:13:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lacombar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDCA8FC19; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werl4 with SMTP id l4so1945391wer.13 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lacombar@gmail.com designates 10.180.86.230 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.86.230; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lacombar@gmail.com designates 10.180.86.230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lacombar@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=lacombar@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.180.86.230]) by 10.180.86.230 with SMTP id s6mr10531410wiz.16.1330456411672 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:13:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cLeMyPtN9Dyx33g1RaHqLSo/qMXqO7LyxMpyArghIBw=; b=sDAifRJLYpLhfrDCuV0RhpwK3Yg/GMrq+B3quszU1pkqTzDY3e0M41kxyKzPjT9soF 9zt9Re143RgxTwFJQBWPwRx+ix+L2DM5/1+e+uwKKC0c9BMuxFHxzVVNu8bjDTfSuL9G Wwo4J8tSx9P8ga6O9RH8jLNF+/Bhk1+BaocgI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.86.230 with SMTP id s6mr8212317wiz.16.1330454912996; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:48:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.166.11 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:48:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F4C3FE7.3040802@FreeBSD.org> References: <20120221143537.Horde.deyFDZjmRSRPQ52pxBIpnLA@webmail.leidinger.net> <4F4BA707.5070608@wasikowski.net> <4F4C3FE7.3040802@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:48:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: Arnaud Lacombe To: Steve Wills Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" , stable@freebsd.org, =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=A3ukasz_W=B1sikowski?= , current@freebsd.org, Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: [CFT] modular kernel config X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:13:34 -0000 Hi, 2012/2/27 Steve Wills : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/27/12 10:53, =C5=81ukasz W=C4=85sikowski wrote: >> W dniu 2012-02-22 23:31, Bjoern A. Zeeb pisze: >> >>> You cannot ship that on by default for non-tecnical reasons in a >>> kernel. =C2=A0Please do not commit a kernel config that can be booted >>> (no LINT cannot be booted) with these on without consulting >>> appropriate hats upfront. >>> >>> >>>> - ALTQ - SW_WATCHDOG - QUOTA - IPSTEALTH (disabled in >>>> loader.conf) - IPFIREWALL_FORWARD (touches every packet, power >>>> users which need a bigger PPS but not this feature can >>>> recompile the kernel, discussed with julian@) - FLOWTABLE >>>> (disabled in loader.conf) >>> Which is not the same as it's not 100% disabled and will still >>> allocate memory. >> >> FLOWTABLE on 8.x crashed BGP routers (kern/144917). I don't know if >> it is fixed by now, but this kind of potential problematic features >> should not be enabled by default. >> > > Agree, I've run into problems with FLOWTABLE (with just the features > that were enabled by default in 8.0) when routers changed MAC > addresses. As far as I understand it, FLOWTABLE is both broken and > abandoned (but if I'm wrong, please let me know). > You will sure go really far with this kind of "It is broken ? Let's not fix it and disable it instead" mentality, even more when coming from a committer. As long as there will be these kind of comments around here, FreeBSD will deserve nothing but to keep dying piece by piece, and it will be deserved. - Arnaud > So, IMHO, not only should it not be enabled by default, but given that > it was disabled complete in 8.x after 8.0 (too lazy to look at exactly > when right now), I think it shouldn't even be included, since that > might encourage users to try it out only to encounter problems with it. > > Steve > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPTD/nAAoJEPXPYrMgexuhvWAH/iPa0N32GJXdyL7OdqFNNuEN > R/Z0tOqTCCmAm4WsbAbN3m5poBKNctRtQxG40XoqmvZAWlomwYCwpS2xgCX60NZO > XhspUEpQ7cHQpt6ZOW12x3G6FZJ4DzFX0+mDPYxE/7YmwtsjZFeTFGVEPezeKQwr > Khar5jWYqETmM1+mFvAFXnfTUiBwnqErDfYmHQAE93wKQd9CyzrFmDfooNTiMUB6 > yW+piexN/SzXz6nftQesJbFOWUW6fvhxe9TYcK8+b9zCo2GxPuUrRV60PKQX0apd > nlKWtj49znLVzmpTYboQnvmqmk+yik8wL2wszUaZ4jAjieCjWOhJwCWOvkQ9yIg=3D > =3DSBbK > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= "