From owner-freebsd-current Sun Oct 4 14:02:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27071 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:02:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zone.syracuse.net (zone.syracuse.net [205.232.47.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27065 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@zone.syracuse.net) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by zone.syracuse.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA02815; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:58:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Feldman To: "Eric J. Chet" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with 3-stage bootloader In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Okay, I figured this out myself. You are incorrect, it does NOT work, in one very important case: with DDB. No, sorry, DDB is _not_ ELF-ready yet. For one, in an ELF kernel db_aout.c is still used when db_elf.c needs to be used, but more importantly, db_elf.c is broken. I fixed it up enough to get it to work and compile, but I was getting ksym_start and ksym_end from bootinfo, which doesn't seem to be right, as ELF DDB does not like bi_symtab and bi_esymtab. Or, maybe, the boot-loader isn't setting the bootinfo correctly (does the boot-loader do that? it sure seems so, seeing as /boot/loader breaks DDB on an a.out kernel.) So basically, I think the bootloader has problems that need to be fixed for both a.out and ELF before it should be used. Next order of business: after booting my working ELF kernel with the _CORRECT_ db_(format).c (unlike what happens by default now), modules are entirely non-working. Modload doesn't work, as it won't recognize the kernel. My ELF-hacked modload has a chance of working, but I stopped after converting the arguments to ld from the pre-binutils-2.x to the current format, so it would actually run, and generate /tmp/mod_whatever.out, seeing as I did not want to muck around in all that a.out code, and since kldload(2) should deprecate modload. However, after generating kldloadable modules (first ELF, then a.out) I learned a. kldload doesn't recognize ELF .ko's b. kldload faults on an a.out .ko So whoever does the kld stuff (Polstra?) should take a look at kldload(), and maybe I shall rewrite modload(8) for ELF before 3.0-RELEASE, if modload will have to be used :( And Mike Smith, you do the new 3-stage loader, right? Well you should look at the struct bootinfo code, I suppose. And whoever works on DDB, needs to comb through db_elf.c, I didn't find it too hard to fix it to boot, and it shouldn't be hard to get ksym_start and ksym_end (or whatever they are on non-NetBSD, bootinfo right?) Sorry, I've taken up too much space already. I'm willing to work on things, such as kldload, but it's nice that right now I have a working, booting a.out kernel, so I'm not about to kluge around in other people's code (that they know better than I do) just for a fully ELF system. Oh, last problem, if modload _will_ be used in the ELF world with an ELF kernel: symorder is a.out, perhaps a bit of sh/nm/ld replacement action is in order (which I could do, if symorder really is that important). Hope this helps =) Cheers, Brian Feldman On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Eric J. Chet wrote: > > On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Brian Feldman wrote: > > > I too cannot boot an ELF kernel yet, as I get a page fault as well :( more > > info when I get some. Oh, yes, this is with the very latest kernel and > > loader (with the esym = ssym = 0 fixes). > > > > Hello > > It might help somebody so, this is the procedure I used to > upgrade to an elf kernel. I just installed an elf kernel and booted > without any problems. I'm -current as of Oct 4 12:44pm EDT. > > cd /sys/boot > make depend && make && make install > > echo "/boot/loader" >/boot.conf > > cd /sys/i386/conf > export KERNFORMAT=elf #you can put "KERNFORMAT=elf" in your /etc/make.conf > config -r configfile > > cd ../../compile/configfile > make depend && make && make install > > reboot > > Regards, > > Eric Chet -> ejc@bazzle.com || ejc@FreeBSD.ORG || ejchet@lucent.com > Systems Analysts - Specializing in OOA, OOD, C++, Java and CORBA > Kenpo Jiu-Jitsu the Ultimate in Self Defense, Tai Chi for Life > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message