From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 30 23:47:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 876C8B9F for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 23:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33080C35 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 23:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo210 ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20150330231127.NXAN32693.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo210> for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 19:11:27 -0400 Received: from [192.168.3.15] ([68.100.83.8]) by eastrmimpo210 with cox id 9zBS1q00Z0Amgo401zBSnr; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 19:11:26 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.5519D81E.01C0,ss=1,re=0.001,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=QYW4SLnv c=1 sm=1 a=MIFbEp1mbsntSkf+UvvZXg==:17 a=f5xKl4ys9bwA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=1Wdl2WGioivmj73Xz0QA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MIFbEp1mbsntSkf+UvvZXg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-ID: <5519D9DF.4090004@cox.net> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 19:18:55 -0400 From: "John D. Hendrickson" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Lundberg, Johannes" Subject: Re: Wayland shm? References: <9xiJ1q00F2X408g01xiKmb> In-Reply-To: <9xiJ1q00F2X408g01xiKmb> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-x11@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 23:47:13 -0000 Lundberg, Johannes wrote: > Hi > > I've seen on the graphics page that wayland port is done. > I know that there are parts missing regarding hardware support for newer cards Xorg deleted support for many video cards and support for older X11 apps (Xcb is NOT compatible: it's cache scheme that is supposed to be "the reason" admits its cache is broken). they deleted Xlib but stole most code doing that. also: the move to make GL broken and side with CL ? continual hacks also break Xt, Xm, (i have yet to see if installing multiple versions helps - but is there an old Xt version 1.foo for new Xorg? likely no) But now Xorg is moving to wayland (they havent said so but i smell it). Debain to "Unity" (another X rewrite). and Apple - they will continue to use Japan G7 and do similar changes: all adds up to. all USA code deleted (copy lefted though) and no hardware except ones "key holders" approved. debian says X is insecure because any X app can talk to X: but their "fix" is so that only ubantu "maintainer" software can do "certain things" (likely, change IP and etc), no one else ! that's the worst kind of security and also doesn't fix anything. a few improvements yes Xorg. but what is the price and agenda ? and who in the world is funding it ? = all software that's working up in flames , by plan = every year a hardware pc/cell requires it's own hardware and breaks all software but the vendors - who happen to come out unscathed someone out there (not johannes) knows exactly what i'm talking about = only news wares out there are designed failures and obstructions they give you a few new wigets - they take away all your $$$ and human rights