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Date:      Sat, 28 Jun 2014 13:37:20 +0200
From:      Palle Girgensohn <girgen@pingpong.net>
To:        Konstantin Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com>
Cc:        "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, "performance@freebsd.org" <performance@freebsd.org>, John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: PostgreSQL performance on FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <B97CF825-B9C3-4D46-A26C-7EF56CD5D216@pingpong.net>
In-Reply-To: <20140628102137.GA93733@kib.kiev.ua>
References:  <20140627125613.GT93733@kib.kiev.ua> <201406271057.53599.jhb@freebsd.org> <20140627163407.GX93733@kib.kiev.ua> <35090A62-2DB8-493C-A5ED-ADB1BC193640@pingpong.net> <20140628102137.GA93733@kib.kiev.ua>

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> 28 jun 2014 kl. 12:21 skrev Konstantin Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com>:
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>> On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 12:08:39PM +0200, Palle Girgensohn wrote:
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>>> 27 jun 2014 kl. 18:34 skrev Konstantin Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com>:
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>>>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 10:57:53AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, June 27, 2014 8:56:13 am Konstantin Belousov wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I did some measurements and hacks to see about the performance and
>>>>> scalability of PostgreSQL 9.3 on FreeBSD, sponsored by The FreeBSD
>>>>> Foundation.
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>>>>> The results are described in https://kib.kiev.ua/kib/pgsql_perf.pdf.
>>>>> The uncommitted patches, referenced in the article, are available as
>>>>> https://kib.kiev.ua/kib/pig1.patch.txt
>>>>> https://kib.kiev.ua/kib/patch-2
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>>>> Did you run the same benchmark on the same hardware with any other OS's=
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>>>> compare results?
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>>> No.
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>>> FWIW, before the failing after the 30 clients is corrected, I do not
>>> think it is much interesting to do such comparision.
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>> This is great work!
>>=20
>> Does anybody know how far back in FreeBSD versions using posix semaphore i=
nstead of sysv would make a difference?  It seems we need a rather current v=
ersion? 8.x did not support it at all, at some point at lest, and in 9 it wa=
s buggy. I could add he patch-2 to the port, but I reckon it needs a conditi=
onal based on FreeBSD version?
> I recommend to add it as an option.  The currently supported versions
> of stable/9 and higher have new posix semaphores implementation.
> The stable/8 also has posix semaphores, but there it is kernel-based
> interface, I do not plan to evaluate it in any way.

According to one source, posix semaphores uses O(N^2) file descriptors, wher=
e N is the number of connections. Do you know if this is true? (I'll try it,=
 naturally, just checking).=20

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>> The clang bug should go upstreams, right?
> I believe there is already some activity about it.  I do not follow
> clang development.

Sounds good enough.=20

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>> I have seen similar curves, presented by Greg Smith (PostgreSQL
>> hacker) where he concluded that there is no point in running more
>> than 50 concurrent connections. This was for Linux. In your measures,
>> the knee is at 30. That's said, FreeBSD could and should do better,
>> but probably there is a limit where there will be a knee in the graph
>> and performance will drop. It should be more than 30, though, as you
>> rightly commented.
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>> Do you any ideas to pursue this further apart from complicated
>> rewrites like DragonFly?
> I do.
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> The scope of the current work was done to obtain understanding where do we=
 stay
> and, if possible, evaluate ideas, possibly in the hackish way. I hope
> and almost sure that this will be continued, but cannot provide any time
> estimation.

Great. If you need help testing, I might be able to help.=20

Cheers,
Palle=



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