From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Oct 4 12:58:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8698110A95BD for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 12:58:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-it1-x12d.google.com (mail-it1-x12d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E09F953D7 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 12:58:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-it1-x12d.google.com with SMTP id j81-v6so12925558ite.0 for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2018 05:58:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=BKTL4xuvcMBz4CQ2fA7FexX9P6hdEJMlWtmrnncI5Dg=; b=zczaN9fQVrFKbj6tugKh7CyQfZQ2hebFgp8LJ6rkr0NX7IxOuPxFD+n6GpqOdOKofY yupIdKpCBS1MdSbGC3DlhflCJhR4M4HA53/dg2iBqePvWDcJMmHNVZI59TOzST/Pc6P3 r0ap6aVhc69JNuKf9NDehCVj2QDR6L+4Dcd531Pf6nFRSNQEFGFleHuIIEdGqdL44VGh AyC/iAnTJ37Z+WkzRvc6+GdOhu4LszSeS+lk01V+Sj9QOtDubcz8riRZVEohFsEhr8vr /tmXuJCEGKAyV72MinmmA2Mq6fAH3t0OxrGmD3dF2oKQ0lgeHRylwSgi3QcB3gW29RAe pOyQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=BKTL4xuvcMBz4CQ2fA7FexX9P6hdEJMlWtmrnncI5Dg=; b=cmfa2WiuON9tuJlL/rYdiuZ2hV7oi/TWj8O1o0A4kGnSp02rYUpRoDf6LU8UQTArIb OSUxxuFjpoBet5sa9PKvjZOxUwvL0/sLKEzH5EfhQ22PLazRiqt1fZOrjPEa7rvvSo5F KrYTpkOl2GEXgsvLZxqtl0sMWMO5oGqNr5Ekxh4KasNfoaJXHqJSHAtCLtJ4p3MA6Kdj ZSkQOAoK7wjR5J2OhiQKitJgKDhRqLq8VuWgmzAv7QF6w+6I8i9LM22ymplaetb1KH5O 5OhpHB3eWTntunWaDWcTxhp9nymWI5sydb7GLTiErnCZH9dWZtEultMtngHBaZ43JvY8 3+Ag== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfohin+PPfYTsL4V/L4cF/nP3ozkoqkI/Oj9OUX+xwK7fTL32nF/q nPHqBgQiu63tgKg+QH/KkUNtwZdKk+Uk8oL49oHZeQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV61pi0fpl6iGGNnk8fsK1Cb6rS0EP2Ix7tsQbpGYbSajXL8/Wp/44XhhFTPEiIx7EJlIiarmxsyul7UDhPknNyg= X-Received: by 2002:a24:1c94:: with SMTP id c142-v6mr4870923itc.75.1538657938275; Thu, 04 Oct 2018 05:58:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20181003210516.GA71565@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> <45c44128-85cb-5b4c-3af3-cbdf1560c9be@grosbein.net> <42Qt573dbmz1ftWT@baobab.bilink.it> In-Reply-To: <42Qt573dbmz1ftWT@baobab.bilink.it> From: Warner Losh Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 06:58:47 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers To: luciano@vespaperitivo.it Cc: FreeBSD Net , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 12:58:59 -0000 On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 6:53 AM Luciano Mannucci wrote: > On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 13:03:01 +0700 > Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > > The current list of drivers that will STAY in the tree is: > > > > > > dc, ffec, fxpl, hme, le, sis, vr, xl > > > > "fxpl" should have been "fxp" here, I suppose. > Yes. > > While I have no objection for general direction, I have doubts about > removal > > of ste(4) and especially rl(4). These are cheap 100Mbit VERY popular NICs > > sold in enourmous values in certain markets by vendors like D-Link and > > TP-Link using various trade names. > Enough people are using rl that it's off the list by my count. > > Lack of support for such popular 100M cards won't be good for FreeBSD, I > > suppose. > > I have a lot of them in production systems. It would be a pity that they > will never get a 12.x or newer version ever. I can replace few de cards > but not everything... > To be clear, the proposal is that 12.x be the last branch they are supported in and not in 13. So while we'd remove them from current soon, they'd still be in 12 for the life of the 12.x branch, so into the early 2020's. Warner