From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Jan 11 11:24:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from shumai.marcuscom.com (rdu57-28-046.nc.rr.com [66.57.28.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9923137B41C; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (marcus@localhost) by shumai.marcuscom.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0BJOJl80958; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:24:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) X-Authentication-Warning: shumai.marcuscom.com: marcus owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:24:18 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Clarke To: Alan Eldridge Cc: dwcjr@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Ports List Subject: Re: CUPS support can be unconditional In-Reply-To: <20020111142001.N80091-100000@shumai.marcuscom.com> Message-ID: <20020111142313.K80091-100000@shumai.marcuscom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Joe Clarke wrote: > > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Alan Eldridge wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 02:10:14PM -0500, Alan Eldridge wrote: > > >On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 01:42:33PM -0500, Joe Clarke wrote: > > >>On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Alan Eldridge wrote: > > >> > > >>> I would recommend, upon some reflection, doing this the way we did in > > >>> kdelibs. That is, cups-base is unconditional. If somebody really > > >>> wants to use cups, they can't rely on another port to suck it in via > > >>> dependency anyway; it doesn't work without being configured. > > >> > > >>I don't understand why your making CUPS mandatory for Samba. Some users > > >>won't want it period. They'll want to stick with BSD printing (like for > > >>use with apsfilter). This will cause unnecessary download and build time. > > >> > > >A user who installs both samba and cups from packages (for example, > > >when installing a new system from CDROM) finds that it won't work? > > > > > >That is a rather gross violation of POLA. > > > > > > > Case in point: > > > > Building a new file and print server, I would not be likely to install > > development tools. So if I want cups + samba, I have to go to another > > machine with development tools installed, build a new samba, install > > it, make a package, transfer it back to the machine I'm setting up? > > That's pretty harsh just to save someone else the time of downloading > > a 4M package file. > > But we do this with a lot of ports in FreeBSD. Should all the conditional > build knobs we taken out, and all ports built with all options enabled? > This just seems like an overkill for some people. > > Now, maybe build with CUPS support iff WITH_CUPS && PACKAGE_BUILDING would > be a good idea. But I don't think we should make it global for every > build of the port. Sorry, I should have said: WITH_CUPS || PACKAGE_BUILDING Joe > > Joe > > > > > -- > > Alan Eldridge > > Pmmfmffmmfmp mmmpppppffmpmfpmpppff PmpMpmMpp ppfppp MpfpffmppmppMmpFmmMpm > > mfpmmmmmfpmpmpppff. > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-ports" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ports" in the body of the message