From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 17 12:30: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F60314CEF for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA85273; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909171930.MAA85273@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: From: Bob Van Valzah Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press Reply-To: Bob Van Valzah Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The following reply was made to PR advocacy/13790; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Bob Van Valzah To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , steve@FreeBSD.org Cc: FreeBSD Gnats , Advocacy@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:24:49 -0500 --------------6BF71F65DAF2C9F2B9852940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeroen & Steve, I'm with you. I've been managing software development projects for 15 years so I understand the importance of keeping a PR system clean. Nobody wants the metrics mucked up. In fact, I actually set out this morning with the intent of sending E-Mail to the advocacy folks. I wasn't certain of their E-Mail address. (In retrospect, I should've just tried Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org and let it bounce if I was wrong.) I searched hoping to find a list of mail aliases or something. Most of the hits that came back were RQN issues. No E-Mail alias were listed anywhere in the top ten hits. Send-pr.html was the number 3 hit. It seemed hard to imagine how "advocacy" would be a problem category taken as seriously as say "kern," so I "abused" the PR system after 5 minutes of searching in vain. I apologize. But this sequence of events leaves me with some nagging questions 1. Does advocacy even belong on send-pr.html? What would be a reasonable problem to report in the advocacy category? Would you actually track it and close it? 2. Why doesn't Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org show up in the top 10 search hits? 3. What ever happened to the host Advocacy.FreeBSD.Org? (One of the search page hits lead there.) 4. I can't be the only guy to've ever introduced a "noise" message into the PR system. Is there a systemic problem that makes it difficult to close a "noise" message and get on with it? Thanks for your consideration. Bob Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > [intentional submission to GNATS left for the archives ] > > * Bob@WhiteBarn.com (Bob@WhiteBarn.com) [990917 19:28]: > > > >>Number: 13790 > >>Category: advocacy > >>Description: > >Not a problem--I just wanted to say kudos to the advocacy folks after > >noticing the Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe pieces recently. > > > >Keep up the good work! > > Pardon me for being the asshole now, how much I agree, but please, > PLEASE don't abuse the pr system like this. > > If you feel you need to congratulate the advocacy guys (whom we all > are in a sense) mail to advocacy@freebsd.org. You will reach them in > that way. > > If we start to dirty the PR system with stuff like this, we lose the > effectiveness of the PR system which is already a hell of a job to > maintain. > > Of course I speak from my own person, but I hope the others agree > with me on this one. > > -- > Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl > The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project > Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best > Haste makes waste. --------------6BF71F65DAF2C9F2B9852940 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeroen & Steve, I'm with you. I've been managing software development projects for 15 years so I understand the importance of keeping a PR system clean. Nobody wants the metrics mucked up.

In fact, I actually set out this morning with the intent of sending E-Mail to the advocacy folks.

I wasn't certain of their E-Mail address. (In retrospect, I should've just tried Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org and let it bounce if I was wrong.)

I searched hoping to find a list of mail aliases or something. Most of the hits that came back were RQN issues. No E-Mail alias were listed anywhere in the top ten hits. Send-pr.html was the number 3 hit. It seemed hard to imagine how "advocacy" would be a problem category taken as seriously as say "kern," so I "abused" the PR system after 5 minutes of searching in vain.

I apologize.

But this sequence of events leaves me with some nagging questions

  1. Does advocacy even belong on send-pr.html? What would be a reasonable problem to report in the advocacy category? Would you actually track it and close it?
  2. Why doesn't Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org show up in the top 10 search hits?
  3. What ever happened to the host Advocacy.FreeBSD.Org? (One of the search page hits lead there.)
  4. I can't be the only guy to've ever introduced a "noise" message into the PR system. Is there a systemic problem that makes it difficult to close a "noise" message and get on with it?
Thanks for your consideration.

    Bob

Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:

[intentional submission to GNATS left for the archives ]

* Bob@WhiteBarn.com (Bob@WhiteBarn.com) [990917 19:28]:
>
>>Number:         13790
>>Category:       advocacy
>>Description:
>Not a problem--I just wanted to say kudos to the advocacy folks after
>noticing the Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe pieces recently.
>
>Keep up the good work!

Pardon me for being the asshole now, how much I agree, but please,
PLEASE don't abuse the pr system like this.

If you feel you need to congratulate the advocacy guys (whom we all
are in a sense) mail to advocacy@freebsd.org. You will reach them in
that way.

If we start to dirty the PR system with stuff like this, we lose the
effectiveness of the PR system which is already a hell of a job to
maintain.

Of course I speak from my own person, but I hope the others agree
with me on this one.

--
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai                  asmodai(at)wxs.nl
The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai>
Network/Security Specialist        BSD: Technical excellence at its best
Haste makes waste.

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