From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Sun Oct 2 21:31:51 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462A0AC6D34 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2016 21:31:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from isoa@kapsi.fi) Received: from mail.kapsi.fi (mx1.kapsi.fi [IPv6:2001:1bc8:1004::1:25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0210084B for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2016 21:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from isoa@kapsi.fi) Received: from karviainen.kapsi.fi ([217.30.184.182] helo=roundcube.kapsi.fi) by mail.kapsi.fi with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1bqoMN-0006dK-W4; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 00:31:48 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 00:31:47 +0300 From: Arto Pekkanen To: Matthew Macy Cc: Kevin Oberman , freebsd-x11@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1576a3129d6.df449a6798184.3431483148132229583@nextbsd.org> References: <439e20fa-6385-68fb-c97e-24705ebd2f94@nomadlogic.org> <157496f7268.ac5eb5ca278618.8741026532558973404@nextbsd.org> <3FEE7DD3-C408-4398-9F0B-5529B2E7A61F@transactionware.com> <1574b8980bc.106a6e9ef306540.4216158444646545056@nextbsd.org> <20160926192637.33f7921b@azsupport.com> <157683d1ec0.11a09775b76996.945490951353894015@nextbsd.org> <20160927031041.31b6f90a@azsupport.com> <157693fc60a.ebf27bd286215.2625530085502855667@nextbsd.org> <20160927033819.2670e3f1@azsupport.com> <20160927015534.GA1345@lonesome.com> <1576a3129d6.df449a6798184.3431483148132229583@nextbsd.org> Message-ID: X-Sender: isoa@kapsi.fi User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.9.4 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 217.30.184.182 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: isoa@kapsi.fi X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Subject: Re: gfx-next update: drm-4.8-rc2 tagged in drm-next X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail.kapsi.fi) X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2016 21:31:51 -0000 Matthew Macy kirjoitti 27.09.2016 08:49: > > Thanks for your support, but let's not get too excited if somebody > gets his account hacked or just plain gets lonely in his mother's > basement and needs attention. I've privately asked that he be removed > from the lists. Actually, my theory is he tried to bring his tribalistic Slashdot and/or Phoronix trolling mentality into the FreeBSD mailing lists. And he now will learn we don't take that kind of attitude here ;D > So long as 99% of people are duly respectful of the fact that this has > been a great deal of work and that there is more work that lies ahead > we'll be fine. The last two KMS updates gestated a year out of tree > before going in. This update started in late April so if it were to be > fully stabilized and all be in by November that would be quite an > accomplishment. On top of that this is actually much bigger in many > respects in that it bridges more than 3 1/2 years of kernel releases > and shifts all the localized complexity out of the drivers themselves. > In theory at least, the shifting of complexity will make it much > easier for myself and others to track whatever happens to be the > latest Linux release and thus may allow FreeBSD to maintain support > for the latest hardware on an ongoing basis. Of course it will require > continued work to support. It remains to be seen if the community can > muster up that effort in one form or another on a sustained basis. I think I've experienced similar efforts work out previously, such as the NDIS -wrapper or the Video4Linux stuff. I am being very, very optimistic in regards to this project :) Kevin Oberman wrote: > > contributions and have a real desire to help FreeBSD as well as its > > derivatives. They do the work. They work with FreeBSD on the > freebsd-x11@ > > users to get testing done, and, when it looks good, submit it to > > Phabricator for review, and ask for review. NextBSD was never > mentioned and > > suddenly someone jumps up and yells "Go away. We don't serve your > kind > > here!". Just because he works on NextBSD. Tell you what... move it > to > > freebsd-advacocy@ where this sort of thing belongs or just go away. > Let > > Matthew get this done. If anyone is banned from the list, it's > Andrei. (And > > I am NOT advocating that.) Kevin, I'll interject again that they especially do NOT allow that kind of behaviour that Andrei presented in freebsd-advocacy@ ;) But that's all I have to say about this, let us move on. -- Arto Pekkanen