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Hausen" Cc: Warner Losh , Mark Millard , tsoome@freebsd.org, Li-Wen Hsu , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: changes to the zfs boot (was: Re: git: 72a1cb05cd23 - main - rc(8): Add a zpoolupgrade rc.d script) References: <202211070339.2A73dJlO027991@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <20221107121514.Horde.nulS9Wg1s3yzAsXXkuJRBa9@webmail.leidinger.net> <20221108105053.Horde.eqgFiBJe2ngGAj6BkXcv5-Z@webmail.leidinger.net> <20221109134610.Horde.JB7ibQTWprHbmIUfhg7JY7f@webmail.leidinger.net> <460205F9-5D59-4033-813B-C34E01BFD6C4@hausen.com> <20221109220540.Horde.6GRfN8bbUC4AsLcvjhWbUgm@webmail.leidinger.net> <65689194-1F56-4429-9A52-794A8354D995@hausen.com> In-Reply-To: <65689194-1F56-4429-9A52-794A8354D995@hausen.com> Accept-Language: de,en Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_5SWu4JVC2iqZQXg6UVJP3xs"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4N6yh02vnHz4Pgt X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34240, ipnet:2a00:1828::/32, country:DE] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N This message is in MIME format and has been PGP signed. --=_5SWu4JVC2iqZQXg6UVJP3xs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoting "Patrick M. Hausen" (from Wed, 9 Nov 2022=20=20 22:11:29=20+0100): > Hi, > >> Am 09.11.2022 um 22:05 schrieb Alexander Leidinger=20=20 >>=20: >> Attention, "upgrade" is overloaded here. "OS upgrade" will not=20=20 >>=20render the pool unbootable (modulo bugs), but "zpool upgrade rpool"=20= =20 >>=20will (except we have provisions that zpool upgrade doesn't enable=20= =20 >>=20all features in case the bootfs property is set). > > And we are back at the start. The "problem" is that I really like=20=20 >=20consistency. > So when "zpool status" throws that ominous message at me - any you have > to admit that it is phrased like a warning - I want simply to get=20=20 >=20rid of that. > After a reasonable after-update grace period. > > But during our discussion I have come to wonder: > > - I upgrade from 13.0 to 13.1, I do a "zpool upgrade" afterwards, I=20=20 >=20also upgrade the boot loader > > - I install 13.1 with ZFS > > What is the difference? Shouldn't these two imaginary systems be=20=20 >=20absolutely the same in terms > of ZFS features, boot loader, and all that? On quick look I haven't found a place where a compatibility setting is=20= =20 used=20for the rpool during the creation, so I can't point out what the=20= =20 exact=20difference is. Given that empty_bpobj is not in the list of the boot code, it can't=20=20 be=20the same, some limit of enabled features has to be in place during=20= =20 initial=20install, and your example has to be different. 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