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Date:      Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:17:40 +0200
From:      Borja Marcos <borjamar@sarenet.es>
To:        Darryl Okahata <darrylo@soco.agilent.com>
Cc:        freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: 3ware stuff not ready for heavy duty useage-followup
Message-ID:  <200108221017.f7MAHeV17056@borja.sarenet.es>
In-Reply-To: <200108220315.UAA06753@mina.soco.agilent.com>

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On Wednesday 22 August 2001 05:15, you wrote:

> 	Well, "previously-owned cars" are also sold.  It doesn't mean
> 	that they're any good.  M$ Windows is also sold.  That doesn't
> 	mean that it's good for you, either.

	I have seen really poor cases and power supplies around. Nowadays, with many 
people (I'm not saying that this is the case!) assuming that computers are 
unreliable and must be incredibly cheap, many manufacturers use poor quality 
components, even in "high-end" products. For example, I've got a "server" box 
(paid aboud $200 for it) approved by AMD for my Athlon system, and one of the 
fans has started to fail after two years. I'm tired of seeing Compaq or Sun 
systems whose fans run for years.

	It is impossible to manufacture a good power supply and sell it for $20. It 
just wouldn't cover the prices of the components!
> [ Going off on a slight tangent, it might be interesting to probe the
>   voltages with an oscilloscope, preferably a sampling one if available
>   (you've got to be careful about the usual electrocution, fire, and
>   component damage hazards, though ;-).  You probably won't be able to
>   tell anything conclusive, however, unless the power's really dirty
>   (which would be a good indication that the power supply is the
>   culprit).  Of course, you'd naturally have to do it under high-load
>   conditions.  ]

	;-) The oscilloscope is a useful tool, indeed. I remember something I saw 
some years ago. We sent an industrial PC to a customer, and two days ago the 
disk was completely corrupted. We swapped it and the same happened. Someone 
checked the power line, and the UPS they were using was suplying a voltage 
oscillating between 150 V and 240 V. 

	So, I don't think using an oscilloscope is "going on a tangent" ;-)



	Borja.


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