From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 18 15:44:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2091016A4CE for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:44:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AAC43D45 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:44:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7IFgqe0057340; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:42:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (robert@localhost)i7IFgqvO057337; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:42:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:42:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Thomas Dickey In-Reply-To: <20040818140525.GA5546@saltmine.radix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Public Access to Perforce? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:44:49 -0000 On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Thomas Dickey wrote: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 05:57:19PM +0400, Roman Kurakin wrote: > > I fully agree with you. But this not affect "open source"ness. > > I'd rather call it open development. > > If the change history(*) is locked up in a form that doesn't provide > ready access, there's no distinction. > > (*) noting of course that for many projects the change history comments > are worthless. You'll notice that developers using Perforce are careful to include complete change desriptions when changes are merged to CVS. Often, better ones, because the changes are complete. It's not necessary to commit every mistake to CVS, which is a large part of what Perforce allows us to avoid. This is intentional: FreeBSD developers consider CVS to be the "real" repository, and Perforce to be a working area in which to explore ideas before merging to CVS. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects robert@fledge.watson.org Principal Research Scientist, McAfee Research