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Cc: Devin Teske <devin.teske@fisglobal.com>, freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: New Boot Loader Menu
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on 07/10/2012 02:48 Devin Teske said the following:
> Hello,
> 
> I've been working on a new boot loader menu system.
> 
> This is what is in HEAD, CURRENT, and RELENG_9 at the moment:
> 
> http://twitpic.com/b1pkll/full
> in color: http://twitpic.com/b1pkz1/full
> 
> 
> I'd like to propose the following replacement to the above:
> 
> http://twitpic.com/b1pll5/full
> in color: http://twitpic.com/b1plxi/full
> 
> The boot options have been whisked away into a sub-menu (see below):
> 
> http://twitpic.com/b1pm51/full
> in color: http://twitpic.com/b1pme8/full
> 
> 
> What does everybody think?


Can't say for everybody :-)
I think that the infrastructure is great.  How you chose to use it in your demo
might turn off some people though :-)  I mean hiding of the traditional options
into the sub-menu.

Let's use sub-menus for the really useful stuff.  Like detailing safe boot
options (e.g. under Troubleshooting sub-menu; ACPI can got there too) or
offering a GUI way to chose a boot+root filesystem (esp. for ZFS).

Please don't mind the people who react to screenshots rather than to your work
(and thus, perhaps, can't see the wood behind the trees).

Whatever you do, verbose boot and single-user mode must stay on the first page.
At least until the next round of evolution.

-- 
Andriy Gapon