From owner-svn-src-head@freebsd.org Wed Feb 22 09:17:44 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38921CE7F2A for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:17:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r@robakdesign.com) Received: from mail-ua0-f182.google.com (mail-ua0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC08BD0F for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:17:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r@robakdesign.com) Received: by mail-ua0-f182.google.com with SMTP id g30so1231724uac.3 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 01:17:43 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SfWPDD4M9VBHaY0eU6Hl16vmo96f1WeDDHUYIEMmzmw=; b=S0LfM7ru+bQrQZmZDTXbwIOkNV7HpYsFcyGiNoRoBnTWYQ3FKIILwXtYPRQMScyfCk V+13j2dSaFptXSR07ZHpXCqX+MTVNX4C9QyTQG2aX4FKgGm+Z+5aEdu/kVyg71TpWAE3 RsMPOtwQmKKecNioNz6iGLOZeO4nqxSl6rwaMyDvg5KFg8Tr26htm+mx3kIWoEQSwHGd Ir8ExgrSlj4dyeDxq/ZT29JhIfQ78vXUqwoGP5sAoCYWnQxJzQatIzmqnfvTvMrJHvro P1lyEFi6Xz++TW9+3kVw5mpWODw8nf3qZ1baAEHssFfIqU9w1v6T/hpV4iFTl5/6FPOR xQEg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39kM9zqID2qzHqUSAwJBDxpu5A8yeDX89dJzcyqtAk89v8SVfoyP5qbnbklz77LjjQ== X-Received: by 10.176.80.165 with SMTP id c34mr10710289uaa.107.1487755056902; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 01:17:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ua0-f170.google.com (mail-ua0-f170.google.com. [209.85.217.170]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f195sm140021vke.8.2017.02.22.01.17.30 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Feb 2017 01:17:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ua0-f170.google.com with SMTP id h65so3200865uah.0 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 01:17:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.176.68.65 with SMTP id m59mr16585268uam.85.1487755050681; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 01:17:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.19.131 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2017 01:17:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20170222083209.GA43001@FreeBSD.org> References: <201702210937.v1L9bY6V093836@repo.freebsd.org> <28a4cf5e-2edd-3e30-9ecd-817f886e9ea3@FreeBSD.org> <20170221144002.GA87822@FreeBSD.org> <20170222083209.GA43001@FreeBSD.org> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Bart=C5=82omiej_Rutkowski?= Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:17:10 +0000 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r314036 - head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall/scripts To: Alexey Dokuchaev Cc: "Bart??omiej Rutkowski" , svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Eric Badger , src-committers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:17:44 -0000 On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 07:56:52AM +0000, Bart??omiej Rutkowski wrote: > > These options have been around forever, used by a lot of users (once they > > got to know those even exist) and seem to cause no issues. However, > despite > > that, and numerous discussions and mail threads over the years, we've > > struggled to enable them > > I presume they were not enabled by default for some reasons? A quick > summary of those reasons would be helpful. :-) > The main reason was lack of consensus, and the reasons for the lack of is were usually along the lines of 'we dont know if it is safe', 'we dont know if it is fast', 'we dont know if it works', 'it breaks my ps -ax when I dont see all the processes', 'it breaks POLA when users suddenly see random PIDs', so on and so forth. And years have been passing with world moving on with improvements and us stalling behind. > > > and, as you can se, we even struggle to present and make them available > > via installer. > > The question was not about whether to make them available, it was about > turning them all on by default. > It is only 'turning them all on by default' if you are using bsdinstall and you don't disable them, if you don't want them. They are not ON in any other scenario. Yet, but we will get there :) Kind regards, Bartek Rutkowski