From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 22 11:56:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4238216A4B3 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgr5.xmission.com (mgr5.xmission.com [198.60.22.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01D643FA3 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:56:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from mail by mgr5.xmission.com with spam-scanned (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ACO9V-0002OL-05 for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:56:14 -0600 Received: from [207.135.128.145] (helo=misty.eyesbeyond.com) by mgr5.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ACO9K-0002I1-05; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:56:02 -0600 Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) h9MIvdjG069999; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:57:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.12.9p1/8.12.9/Submit) id h9MIvaQC069998; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:57:36 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:57:36 -0600 From: Greg Lewis To: Kurt Werle Message-ID: <20031022185736.GA69838@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <20031022174555.GE18899@zot.electricrain.com> <50550.64.170.199.99.1066847695.squirrel@mail.shiftmanager.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50550.64.170.199.99.1066847695.squirrel@mail.shiftmanager.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on mgr5.xmission.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.9 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_30 autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Level: cc: chris-freebsd@randomcamel.net cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsddom and java's flaming hoops X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:56:16 -0000 On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 11:34:55AM -0700, Kurt Werle wrote: > If I really want to, I can grab the Java sources. No matter who ships > what, you always have to NDA to SUN if you want Java source. I just want > the binaries. For that, I shouldn't need to jump hoops. (NOTE > **SHOULD** not need to - this is the ideal) You're somewhat misguided here. Fact 1: Downloading a Java binary for Solaris/Linux/Windows from the Java site requires you to agree to a click through license. Fact 2: Downloading a Java binary for FreeBSD from the FresBSD Foundation site requires you to agree to a click through license. Note that Fact 2 is _enforced_ by the licensing agreement with Sun. This isn't something that is going to change. If you want to try and change it, then complain to Sun. They required these terms in the license. > > if you want an OS producer that can and does act like a closed-source > > for-profit corporation, there are at least two for you to choose > > from. enjoy. > > Do you mean FreeBSD producers? Who and who? If I can buy a CD that would > get me a solid FreeBSD system with Java included, I'll STFU. Let me repeat myself. I know of at least one FreeBSD vendor who plans to do this for the FreeBSD 4.9 release. Again though, you are complaining to the wrong people. Noone here can force a FreeBSD vendor to put Java on their FreeBSD CD-ROMs. > 2 points: > 1. I am in a position to complain. I'm a user. It's what users do. > It's up to suppliers to decide whether the users should get what they want > (yeah, that's a somewhat rhetorical statement). Ok, so complain to said suppliers. Complaining on this list just fills the list with meaningless noise. -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org