From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 7 09:34:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DB337B404 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.foolishgames.net (ns2.foolishgames.net [216.93.162.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A890243FB1 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:34:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luke@foolishgames.com) Received: from foolishgames.com (adsl-65-42-184-171.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net [65.42.184.171]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns2.foolishgames.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h77GYkxD054428; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:34:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luke@foolishgames.com) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:34:45 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" From: Lucas Holt In-Reply-To: <3F326499.50501@401.cx> Message-Id: <0D9C0182-C8F5-11D7-A4DD-0030656DD690@foolishgames.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs blocking SMTP connections from dynamic IP address space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 16:34:54 -0000 > I think we need software that blocks spam out of the box. Server Side: I've found that most of my time is spent installing addons for sendmail to do virus scanning and spam prevention. Why don't mail servers have spam assassin, black lists, etc. enabled and installed with a base set of rules to prevent spam? Every release of the software would also need to include new rules, but your ip list solution needs updating all the time too. Client Side: email clients all need spam and virus filters. Many have them now, but there should be a central filter database for clients too. I wouldn't get these stupid worms all the time if they were deleted.. most of them have the same subject.. simple pattern matching. I often find myself creating filters to delete them myself. I switched to apple mail from Netscape 7 to get spam filtering in january client side. I do understand the counter argument about blocking ips.. but i think thats frustration talking. Even if ip blocking is an improvement, it won't stop spam. > Today its far to easy to get your email out on the 'net. Even the > "high school dropouts" as you call the spammers can buy a cheap DSL > connection, setup a mailserver and spam like crazy untill the ISP gets > enough complaints to cut them off. When that happens, they get a new > connection and start all over. > > As long as we rely on the old and very outdated SMTP protocoll that > powers the net today, precautions will have to be taken very soon, or > email will be useless in a few years. > > -- > R > > Lucas Holt Luke@FoolishGames.com ________________________________________________________ FoolishGames.com (Jewel Fan Site) JustJournal.com (Free blogging) "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955)