From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 27 15:28:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546C216A439 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:28:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ciscoaix@yahoo.com) Received: from web52711.mail.yahoo.com (web52711.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D973743D46 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:28:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ciscoaix@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16139 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2005 15:28:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3GGwDU3oqf/gYj8nzfc2ApzQX+TGwB7u8t009gBPwyXKc7rMiPkN+sKU95mYeLXjKR6/iJWE1yF2EZOAV/VpAgyHYCQOv3PIUNlJ2/ne7YPLo0oZPRPAp0cFC/j4iTCY2BsQtItqSwSfoCNhFHCcdMaGhBNKrWkmm0a10cdeDQg= ; Message-ID: <20051027152817.16137.qmail@web52711.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.210.226.206] by web52711.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:28:17 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:28:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Anderson To: "Gary W. Swearingen" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Qwest DLS & MSN Premium & Linksys Router & FreeBSD.. Oh my X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:28:18 -0000 --- "Gary W. Swearingen" wrote: > Kris Anderson writes: > > > I'm getting off cable (Comcast and 6 megabits) and > > Good move. > > > Their fine print - > > Don't forget the finer print. "Invisible print" > might be a better > term; good luck even finding it before committing > yourself. More > below. > > > home phone pac kage ($24.99 otherwise), free > > Check out which "phone pac" that is. I doubt very > much if regular > phone service is considered to be a home phone pac; > I mangaged to find > (after considerable searching) their page for > ordering non-pac phone > service to get a 12.50 basic service (before more > than that in various > fees and taxes, one which seems to be part of > _their_ taxes -- grrr). > > > restrictions may apply. MSN ISP requires agreement > to > > MSN Acceptable Use Policy. > > Yeah, after considerable searching I found a "MSN > Subscription > Agreement" link at http://support.msn.com/ which > took me to a member > sign-in form. Do you really want to do business > with a company that > does business like that? > > > So am I right in still thinking that with MSN as > the > > ISP my setup it isn't going to be FreeBSD friendly > and > > that my spiffy little Comcast setup isn't going to > > work with MSN as the ISP? > > I can't help you; and I wouldn't help MSN if I > could. I know I > first bought a (used) modem that was "guaranteed" to > work with > Qwest and a non-MSFT ISP, but I later learned that > it would only > work with Qwest+MSN and had to pay a "restocking" > fee to get most > of my money back. Grrr. > > > I found what seems (in about 5 mo) to be a good ISP > at opusnet.com . > Relatively good contract terms and in actual > practice, so far. And > about as cheap as they come. > > > Note that _almost_ all ISPs have indemnity clauses > whereby you agree > to pay their legal and other costs if some third > party makes claims > against the ISP which involve you in any way, > whether or not you've > done anything wrong in most such clauses. Another > facter is how far > away the courthouse and your lawyer would be. > > Last time I looked, Quest had no indemnity clause > for their pure DSL > service, but they had one in their ISP contract and, > of course, MSN > does too. I say "of course", but I should note that > MSN.net is one of > increasingly-few web sites that has no indemnity > clause in the > site-use contract. Even such "open source" sites as > Slashdot have > them these days. I assume the risk of using such > sites in read-only > mode, but seldom, if ever, post anything to them. > BTW, my insurance > guy knows of no personal insurance against such > indemnity risks. > > > I bought a DSL modem at Fry's for about 10 $ more > than Qwest's, mostly > because Qwest has given me many reasons to dislike > and distrust them > and partly because my modem has a 2-yr guarantee. It > is a Zoom ADSL X5 > and seems to work fine and was easy to configure > once I got past some > problem that I had with Mozilla not accessing the > modem's > configuration web forms correctly. (I've already > forgotten the > cause.) Beware that the Zoom modem package says in > big print that it > comes with DSL filters and in fine print it says how > many it comes > with, which I didn't notice was _zero_. Grrr.) > > With the Zoom modem, at least, you may configure it > to run DHCP and > give the modem a fixed (eg, 10.something) IP address > or run DHCP on > whatever you connect to the modem. The Zoom X5 is > also a 4-port > router, but this one was not wireless like the Qwest > modem. > > > Finally, beware that a few weeks ago DSL providers > like Qwest got > permission (from the US gov) to refuse to do > business (after 2005, > IIRC) with good ISPs like opusnet.com, so don't be > suprised if your > choice in 2006 is between Qwest+MSN and > Comcast+Comcast. Grr. > > -- Grry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Wowzers, I think I'll get a couple of tin cans and a string. Thanks Gary, and everybody else who replied. Most appreciated. ~Mr. Anderson __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com