From owner-svn-src-head@freebsd.org Sat Jan 26 20:35:28 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A95D14ADC10 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 20:35:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: from outbound2m.ore.mailhop.org (outbound2m.ore.mailhop.org [54.149.155.156]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09C096C8C4 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 20:35:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1548534863; cv=none; d=outbound.mailhop.org; s=arc-outbound20181012; b=KR3k+mbbeoWxwma9C5y6y9YZvsXkmgbr31ghte8XolcTVs/ge95gg1A8z3uEzZWg56ucYu9UQ7e59 Pwqml7++qjVGX3NKemACCAEYiCmmCX928a4dIjU4o0XvZxue6e6l857MuEP1W0qnoS4uvPiwVqqaed LJdSoQHofud+oP+c6NtHDY0TvIf8v1R2bHPWA2KhEcbyveMxQb5VUL6tPIikgzosddkd1aZUWxdbAu rbdm2y9ZUMPBHCowlCbsxrzNC9ivUNqxepeMrBcmJ9MX1BIs4/NeSokNBJFtat2p56tocBzAubIyzR ajaXdER+UbdSIZb8W5dDvUzJHBKRkAg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outbound.mailhop.org; s=arc-outbound20181012; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:content-type:references:in-reply-to: date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:dkim-signature:from; bh=dcPrGvCF2AX7zGjKI+YsJmoKrYt6k3I8rGW511yUsLg=; b=dgKbIlNRwAqMK46JSkFESvv4r6hvR/WROXZFqATiUpHPWlwLRkEmA6WeGMWG8ZPR+oT2r/nu46q5c V5erkNwDgPEWfnrNH+TY/pEugYzsjkcXa0s6jmrfm/vDijHOmqqpmzRxh4xbY5gv7VE3H2vSMoHjfH 98+dvpwJ88v/QiMyp4X66letmzh5sp+iphDe1eMtnB7R9319Yz1qq+NGZ5XW9D3yxgSNPZJoe9jhVM hjy3eefO7ApN86OWDIDFI1pX2VVKuJ69bZt6tBjYka/1s3vTb4UV5NwWcKiDCzceOBQX8XUUYTjRm9 Xflx7ucf4l6h3Ip7GCPpJaT++cM2l7Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; outbound4.ore.mailhop.org; spf=softfail smtp.mailfrom=freebsd.org smtp.remote-ip=67.177.211.60; dmarc=none header.from=freebsd.org; arc=none header.oldest-pass=0; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outbound.mailhop.org; s=dkim-high; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:content-type:references:in-reply-to: date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:from; bh=dcPrGvCF2AX7zGjKI+YsJmoKrYt6k3I8rGW511yUsLg=; b=wxXBsNBWx6kAk7HQ4vF5UfjVtSN/CDs30f6Lev0XJ0lwv6QqNaTEH7Szfwsa821jMRns0UMS9Emaz +XewwBkLLsQc5Hs62YFJOhIeIDa0ptJZGNF4iJ//6uGWr81AQxXDhDNxcDoQ+qe/+7tvxj13u+OIk7 553S9ivEdqcrIy0H2b5Sz7Qs3G4t1UwPVWSkZFoXdqFcy0h6ID7MihovyE6Rs6Oh4xcc7GqJvM2hWZ 5X/nNiCn6aFcNaJK1n7IbQY0TcYxg6aY6ctAxULBBLGilnObAPdYmih1e4ZN8ZbyfKZd9NNQZOvuAQ e9AjIPJQFjeT9zguU5rQuSEZsujQigg== X-MHO-RoutePath: aGlwcGll X-MHO-User: c27b956f-21a9-11e9-befd-af03bedce89f X-Report-Abuse-To: https://support.duocircle.com/support/solutions/articles/5000540958-duocircle-standard-smtp-abuse-information X-Originating-IP: 67.177.211.60 X-Mail-Handler: DuoCircle Outbound SMTP Received: from ilsoft.org (unknown [67.177.211.60]) by outbound4.ore.mailhop.org (Halon) with ESMTPSA id c27b956f-21a9-11e9-befd-af03bedce89f; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 20:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rev (rev [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x0QKZIES009150; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 13:35:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <03987a1c3ad0c362d50dcefdfd653dec033d14ed.camel@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: svn commit: r343440 - head/bin/sh From: Ian Lepore To: cem@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Cc: src-committers , svn-src-all@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 13:35:18 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: <201901251709.x0PH9Rc4094379@repo.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 09C096C8C4 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.99 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.988,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 20:35:28 -0000 On Sat, 2019-01-26 at 11:11 -0800, Conrad Meyer wrote: > I didn't really feel the need to weigh in on this bikeshed thread > previously, but apparently some folks are calling for a revert. Why? > I don't really understand how this meets the high bar for summary > revert, even if you disagree with the change made (and disagreement > is > fine, of course). > > So I'll raise my hand for "leave it in" and encourage talking out > your > bikeshed. It would be persuasive to come up with a specific list of > complaints, ideally excluding ones that have been shown to be > baseless. So far there has been a lot of mudslinging and it's > difficult to sort out the preference complaints from the security > complaints from the (well-intentioned, but ultimately inaccurate) > fiction. I don't think a "heckler's veto" should be granted. > > If you don't use root/toor, that's fine! But I think that sort of > (heavily) discounts how much weight your opinion of root/toor > defaults > should be given. > > If you use Expect, great. You should be setting a specific PS1 > anyway > (both before and after this change). After all, this is just the > default. Users have been free to set a custom PS1 for root in > .profile since time began. > > Has anyone verified the claim that freebsd-update will actually > modify > a user's home directory contents, or was that just speculation? I > don't know one way or the other and I think it's still an open > question. > > Best regards, > Conrad > Wait a sec... something has been stable and working fine for 30 years, then it gets changed to reflect one man's personal preferences, and it's the people who object to that who have to jump through flaming hoops to justify themselves? Screw that. Don't bother to CC me in any replies, I'm out of this conversation. It's a pity the freebsd prject has turned into linux. -- ian > On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 9:09 AM Edward Tomasz Napierala > wrote: > > > > Author: trasz > > Date: Fri Jan 25 17:09:26 2019 > > New Revision: 343440 > > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/343440 > > > > Log: > > Comment out the default sh(1) aliases for root, introduced in > > r343416. > > The rest of this stuff is still to be discussed, but I think at > > this > > point we have the agreement that the aliases should go. > > > > MFC after: 2 weeks > > Sponsored by: DARPA, AFRL > > > > Modified: > > head/bin/sh/dot.shrc > > > > Modified: head/bin/sh/dot.shrc > > =================================================================== > > =========== > > --- head/bin/sh/dot.shrc Fri Jan 25 17:08:28 > > 2019 (r343439) > > +++ head/bin/sh/dot.shrc Fri Jan 25 17:09:26 > > 2019 (r343440) > > @@ -18,13 +18,13 @@ > > # set -o vi > > > > > > -# some useful aliases > > -alias h='fc -l' > > -alias j=jobs > > -alias m="$PAGER" > > -alias ll='ls -laFo' > > -alias l='ls -l' > > -alias g='egrep -i' > > +# # some useful aliases > > +# alias h='fc -l' > > +# alias j=jobs > > +# alias m="$PAGER" > > +# alias ll='ls -laFo' > > +# alias l='ls -l' > > +# alias g='egrep -i' > > > > # # be paranoid > > # alias cp='cp -ip' > > > >