From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 7 16:09:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E3716A418; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:09:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesh@lanl.gov) Received: from mailwasher.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [204.121.3.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6D313C48E; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:09:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesh@lanl.gov) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mailwasher.lanl.gov (8.13.8/8.13.8/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id lA7Fl6qW010624; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:47:06 -0700 Received: from oppie-mail.lanl.gov (oppie-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.4.123]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.13.8/8.13.8/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id lA7Fl68d018086; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:47:06 -0700 Received: from [128.165.86.10] (secretariat.lanl.gov [128.165.86.10]) by oppie-mail.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id F241B1F8004; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:46:53 -0700 (MST) From: James To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" In-Reply-To: <4731BDE8.7070106@gmail.com> References: <200711041119.45971.jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu> <472DD231.9030501@gmail.com> <472E67CC.9040201@delphij.net> <472E4FF0.3080801@gmail.com> <472EB211.7050001@delphij.net> <472EEADF.1000008@gmail.com> <472F466E.8050405@delphij.net> <472F5846.1020304@gmail.com> <472F5D9A.9050900@delphij.net> <20071106153509.GB91218@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <47308E19.70507@samsco.org> <47315094.6080405@yandex.ru> <4731522B.906@gmail.com> <4731B14F.5000702@conducive.net> <4731B286.2020204@FreeBSD.org> <4731BDE8.7070106@gmail.com> Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratories Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:46:52 -0700 Message-Id: <1194475612.29601.7.camel@secretariat.lanl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-CTN-5-MailScanner-Information: Please see http://network.lanl.gov/email/virus-scan.php X-CTN-5-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CTN-5-MailScanner-From: jamesh@lanl.gov X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?=E9=9F=93=E5=AE=B6=E6=A8=99?= Bill Hacker , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (URGENT/NEW) Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Wiki for discussing P35/IHC9(R)/SATA issues set up X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jamesh@lanl.gov List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:09:20 -0000 On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 08:30 -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Can we get some less hyperbolic subject lines in here, please? > > Thanks. > > I was saving this comment until after the issues where solved but now > is as good a time as any.... ever since I got the machine in late > augest I have raised this issue (as politely and approriate as > possible as per posting guidelines and general group feeling) 3 or 4 > times (see some of the references on the wiki). The latest was about > 24 hrs before this thread started (the master one) and in conjunction > with 2 other people who reported almost identical problems (and in the > case of this specific subthread 100% identical). > > Not a *SINGLE* one of these threads got any attention (except for a > very brief interaction with Xi Lin [I think] that made it so my drives > where are least reconized as being SATA instead of UDMA33). It took me a long time, but I eventually realised that *no one* owes me their time here. I've had issues on questions and ports I've raised repeatedly for months; if no one has the knowledge to help me, I have to accept it and move on. Try not to hold it against anyone that sometimes, your answer just isn't known. > It was > not until I made the comment that a wiki had been setup did any > attention get payed to the issue. Please note the orginial note on > the wiki setup said specifically it was made so me and the other two > reporters could work on making a patch (since I thought none of the > current developers had a solution or the possibility of one). > Looking at this, I honestly think that you made a mistake deciding against hacking the code yourself for fear of duplication of efforts. You seem to be comfortable getting in there and dealing with the guts of code yourself; go for it. At the very worst, it's duplication of effort, but it will *never* be a waste of time. Scratch your own itch; it's the best way to go. > I am not attempting to complain here just say that a slightly better > way has to be found then talking to the wind or PO'ing everyone with > "alarmist" headlines.