From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 27 07:11:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3CA37B401; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 07:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4F943F93; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 07:11:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 4194F5308; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:11:33 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Scott Long From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:11:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <3EABD516.2090100@btc.adaptec.com> (Scott Long's message of "Sun, 27 Apr 2003 07:03:18 -0600") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090015 (Oort Gnus v0.15) Emacs/21.2 References: <20030426154030.M13476@znfgre.qbhto.arg> <3EAB12AC.8050707@btc.adaptec.com> <20030426223810.Y657@znfgre.qbhto.arg> <3EAB7486.2060107@btc.adaptec.com> <20030426231507.K657@znfgre.qbhto.arg> <20030427010221.H657@znfgre.qbhto.arg> <3EABD516.2090100@btc.adaptec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: Doug Barton cc: FreeBSD-rc@yahoogroups.com cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-rc] Re: RFC: Removal of the old rc system from -current X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 14:11:38 -0000 Scott Long writes: > My premise is this: there are people who cvsup and build world on a > regular basis, track current@, etc, and there are those who are only > interested in running official releases. My concern is not the first > group, but the second group. The old rc system has been around for > quite some time, and it might be a shock if it disappears without > warning. The fact that 5.1 has the possiblity of being a worthly > release means that more people are likely to jump straight from 4.x > to 5.1, and might not be aware of rcNG from 5.0. These aren't the > people who will be doing mergemaster, these are the people who will > install from CD then might try to configure things in the way that > they used to be familiar with. The configuration mechanism hasn't changed, except for details like variable names which are not directly related to rcNG (portmap -> rpcbind, xntpd -> ntpd). The only thing that has changed is the way the configuration is applied behind the scenes. Normal users won't notice rcNG in a negative sense (though they may discover that they can now easily start and stop services); if they have trouble configuring their 5.1 systems, it'll be because of things like the switch from pam.conf to pam.d, the introduction of nsswitch, or the deprecation of usbd and pccardd in favor of devd. The kind of people who hack their rc scripts such that rcNG will break their setup should know better than to upgrade blindly, and should hopefully have the skills required to port their hacks to 5.1. If they don't, they shouldn't have been messing with the rc scripts in the first place. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org