From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 16 16:50:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614571065692 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:50:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+2Y=2c6cacb6@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from fallback-in1.mxes.net (fallback-out1.mxes.net [216.86.168.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331AD8FC12 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:50:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+2Y=2c6cacb6@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by fallback-in1.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817DC1640CF for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C20D0B6D; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:38:07 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081016173807.64d0f24e@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: References: <20081016090102.17qwm4xcs6f4so8ok@intranet.casasponti.net> <20081016145255.GA12638@icarus.home.lan> <48F75A88.1000507@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Luke Dean Subject: Re: I've just found a new and interesting spam source - legitimate bounce messages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:50:11 -0000 On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Luke Dean wrote: > > > On Thu, 16 Oct 2008, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > > Until the wonderful day that the entire internet abides by these > > rules[*], use > > of technologies like SPF and DKIM can discourage but not entirely > > prevent the spammers from joe-jobbing you. > > I just started getting these bouncebacks en masse this week. > My mail provider publishes SPF records. SPF increases the probability of spam being rejected at the smtp level at MX servers, so my expectation would be that it would exacerbate backscatter not improve it. Many people recommend SPF for backscatter, but I've yet to hear a cogent argument for why it helps beyond the very optimistic hope that spammers will check that their spam is spf compliant.