From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 21 14:45:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC3D106568B; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:45:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johannes@sipsolutions.net) Received: from sipsolutions.net (cl-1649.ham-01.de.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:6f8:900:670::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750818FC16; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by sipsolutions.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MeVMn-0004HZ-Bf; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:45:21 +0200 From: Johannes Berg To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E1bor?= Stefanik In-Reply-To: <69e28c910908210741wd3bc391x311523f5b55fd4f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A8EAFA6.9010608@gmail.com> <1250865255.4600.6.camel@johannes.local> <69e28c910908210741wd3bc391x311523f5b55fd4f1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-JaV4Oxpf3uVUP0bg8tdb" Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:45:18 +0200 Message-Id: <1250865918.4600.9.camel@johannes.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.27.90 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:29:04 +0000 Cc: Richard Farina , Dave Young , Rafael Laufer , Sepherosa Ziehau , linux-wireless , misc-openbsd , Thomas d'Otreppe , freebsd-mobile , Mike Kershaw , Damien Bergamini , Sam Leffler , tech-openbsd , netbsd-net , wireshark-dev , radiotap Subject: Re: Plans for an online meeting regarding Radiotap X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:45:28 -0000 --=-JaV4Oxpf3uVUP0bg8tdb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 16:41 +0200, G=C3=A1bor Stefanik wrote: > My intention with the meeting is to form an actual proposal that all > implementors can agree on. We can produce proposals, and even new > standardized fields to no avail, as some implementors (especially > OpenBSD) appear to be stuck with implementations that collide with the > standard. These implementors need to be "awakened" and entered into > the discussions before anything can be done. There's nothing the standard can do about that. Like I said, we've talked about that enough in my opinion. > > Your own proposal had technical flaws (and in my opinion tried to do to= o > > much at a time) that you haven't addressed -- doing that would be much > > more productive than any such meeting. >=20 > What technical flaws are you trying to point out exactly? (The TX > flags field? My point is that it's worthless to "standardize" TX flags > by extending it and moving to "Defined fields" if noone is willing to > implement it.) But people are already implementing it, and if they do something else that's their problem. The flaw I'm thinking of was over the RTS/CTS handling where some people (including myself) had comments. Besides, you're supposed to make at least two implementations when proposing a standard field. johannes --=-JaV4Oxpf3uVUP0bg8tdb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAABAgAGBQJKjrL7AAoJEODzc/N7+QmahHIP/1MlzeKmu9boxW2wEDfO/0gn td56z1fQ1NabN43P/bzwVih9Ia8aa5Z1JVDV7MARTkFRtHdPpuOhgA9h6D6aAzKv HeZXyigvajRpMbn2i8t4ZFWull6E4ROoglZKtUsVg1acoPZyBCUl4Zu/DOOViEvk FLLLOF50LD6/OGin4g4nrLD2OLo4NDFXOwdUDneJrJVnPnnJAzI/49f5DnPpmOK2 i7XfD/OHCyIT5VJsDV1+gCDav5Rvmync9dkle3NiENZareINrTc+QtyFdXlQbDyx btl+Ha/ZDL2GwYq36wrTOAyu01C3jF8uhpb+cim19VTAUImQXxad+EonIXh3rjo0 JU2xaLFITadjEf9lwnnXwBmmJpMCdZMYRsDE2Iq4fHnhyDcj5Zye0CI6GGa00DHP P3+O6iKsbci/67eQJNvirVUEk6QihLPizpxaQwiJ8EQGUSUQegoIQ/HHePn9v/Ph ZTNBoCcZNyeaDBQZQeG61xNQyNXl93hg0FvvB5eRhVZIEWuTu1WYWYikKSvPVERE Zgrmar4NssmASwpbojMtO3uUtjv9f/O0wFNwcUtk4YZ9srZdJaDBojzAmvigmPVa xUGVQU+rt0UF9GnEov8VkRbcQrXqP2RLDbSWp04Wq8qgWBlrzcxSzItdgC/ktDpZ 1SKhTx1lbDAYQr+0bbMB =QXFI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-JaV4Oxpf3uVUP0bg8tdb--