From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 31 18:48:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1443716A4DA for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:48:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D216643E3E for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:47:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so281698wri for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:47:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PWVKo9POH3hvhrboSvOOORZDS5hA/HBtvZtAqMXtJVrcb3Vf+NiNsbZA+NLop2LCZY4/iq+4aEoC1nEl0DVjZE9gERbw1k8dOculzo1nlv6zlsi/y8tpAWyWuzCSB4m72pHh8KVIM9S/xx9FF9Gz7AGY67AtpxvyXJpF3gSRlo4= Received: by 10.90.55.19 with SMTP id d19mr305597aga; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.98.12 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260608311147n4cd9563hf816d2993edc2f17@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:47:48 +0100 From: "Jeff Rollin" To: "Paul Saab" In-Reply-To: <20060831183956.GA43568@elvis.mu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <950621ad0608310654h78ae0023g346abd108815ae72@mail.gmail.com> <20060831142321.27596.qmail@web30602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6a506d980608311020j156ac46cyb92f1c7bec80d439@mail.gmail.com> <8a0028260608311033l7c16e7bq4ea5c87561095714@mail.gmail.com> <20060831183956.GA43568@elvis.mu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The future of NetBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:48:45 -0000 On 31/08/06, Paul Saab wrote: > > Jeff Rollin (jeff.rollin@gmail.com) wrote: > > If Yahoo (to pick the one big vendor I remember making a big thing of > using > > a BSD) don't reincorporate their changes, perhaps that's because the > license > > allows them not to? > > If you think that Yahoo! has not given back to the FreeBSD project, > then you are sorely mistaken. Let me count the ways that Yahoo! > has given back. As I said, Yahoo are the one big company I remember being cited as using a BSD. My point was not that "Yahoo does not give back to the FreeBSD project," but that the BSD licence *allows* them not to give back in a way that the GPL does not allow (say) Google not to give back to the Linux project(s). 1. Most of the freebsd cluster resides in a Yahoo! datacenter > 2. Up until I left at the end of June, Yahoo had a team of 5 people > working on FreeBSD and we gave back just about everything we were > working on to the project. Now there are 4, but they are doing > incredible work for FreeBSD. > 3. NFS locking came from Yahoo! > 4. SACK came from Yahoo! > 5. Accept filters came from Yahoo! > 6. AMD64 port came from Yahoo! > 7. IA64 hardware and support came from Yahoo! pushing Intel > 8. bce came from Yahoo/Iron port pushing on Broadcom to produce a driver > 9. ciss came from Yahoo! > 10. bge improvements and fixes came from Yahoo! > 11. accept filters came from Yahoo! > 12. Numerous private contracts to improve various drivers were funded by > Yahoo! > 13. A ton of ATA hardware was sent to sos to make sure drivers were > supported > and yahoo didn't even use most of those controllers. > 14. Many other developers got hardware directly from Yahoo! > 15. Intel supporting em on FreeBSD came from Yahoo! pressuring Intel > 16. minidumps > 17. twe/twa support came from Yahoo! pressuring 3ware > > I can go on, but my memory gets hazy after 6.5 years of working on > FreeBSD for Yahoo, so before you go bashing Yahoo!, just know that > there are plenty of people doing nothing but FreeBSD work at Yahoo! > We never felt it necessary to actually note that code came from > Yahoo! since most committers know that the code came from Yahoo! > If I were going to bash Yahoo!, I would probably pick some other aspect to moan about. Like! Those! El Reg! Yahoo! related! Headlines! That! Were! Funny! At First! But Got! Predictable! After a while! Jeff.