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Date:      Thu, 11 Aug 2016 13:02:35 +0200
From:      Julien Cigar <julien@perdition.city>
To:        Borja Marcos <borjam@sarenet.es>
Cc:        freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, Jordan Hubbard <jkh@ixsystems.com>
Subject:   Re: HAST + ZFS + NFS + CARP
Message-ID:  <20160811110235.GN70364@mordor.lan>
In-Reply-To: <20160811101539.GM70364@mordor.lan>
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On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:15:39PM +0200, Julien Cigar wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 11:24:40AM +0200, Borja Marcos wrote:
> >=20
> > > On 11 Aug 2016, at 11:10, Julien Cigar <julien@perdition.city> wrote:
> > >=20
> > > As I said in a previous post I tested the zfs send/receive approach (=
with
> > > zrep) and it works (more or less) perfectly.. so I concur in all what=
 you
> > > said, especially about off-site replicate and synchronous replication.
> > >=20
> > > Out of curiosity I'm also testing a ZFS + iSCSI + CARP at the moment,=
=20
> > > I'm in the early tests, haven't done any heavy writes yet, but ATM it=
=20
> > > works as expected, I havent' managed to corrupt the zpool.
> >=20
> > I must be too old school, but I don=E2=80=99t quite like the idea of us=
ing an essentially unreliable transport
> > (Ethernet) for low-level filesystem operations.
> >=20
> > In case something went wrong, that approach could risk corrupting a poo=
l. Although, frankly,

Now I'm thinking of the following scenario:
- filer1 is the MASTER, filer2 the BACKUP
- on filer1 a zpool data mirror over loc1, loc2, rem1, rem2 (where rem1=20
and rem2 are iSCSI disks)
- the pool is mounted on MASTER

Now imagine that the replication interface corrupts packets silently,
but data are still written on rem1 and rem2. Does ZFS will detect=20
immediately that written blocks on rem1 and rem2 are corrupted?

>=20
> Yeah.. although you could have silent data corruption with any broken
> hardware too. Some years ago I suffered a silent data corruption due to=
=20
> a broken RAID card, and had to restore from backups..
>=20
> > ZFS is extremely resilient. One of mine even survived a SAS HBA problem=
 that caused some
> > silent corruption.
>=20
> Yep, and I would certainly not use another FS to do that. Scrubbing the
> pool more regularly is also something to do.
>=20
> >=20
> > The advantage of ZFS send/receive of datasets is, however, that you can=
 consider it
> > essentially atomic. A transport corruption should not cause trouble (ap=
art from a failed
> > "zfs receive") and with snapshot retention you can even roll back. You =
can=E2=80=99t roll back
> > zpool replications :)
> >=20
> > ZFS receive does a lot of sanity checks as well. As long as your zfs re=
ceive doesn=E2=80=99t involve a rollback
> > to the latest snapshot, it won=E2=80=99t destroy anything by mistake. J=
ust make sure that your replica datasets
> > aren=E2=80=99t mounted and zfs receive won=E2=80=99t complain.
> >=20
> >=20
> > Cheers,
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > Borja.
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
>=20
> --=20
> Julien Cigar
> Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be)
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