From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 16 19:52:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9691065674 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:52:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from mx02.dls.net (mx02.dls.net [216.145.245.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8BF8FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:52:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [216.145.235.2] (helo=emailrob.com) by mx02.dls.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZqxo-0002tD-K8; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:52:54 -0500 Message-ID: <4C40AAA0.8060703@emailrob.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:53:20 +0100 From: spellberg_robert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul B Mahol , fbsd_x11 References: <4C3D090B.2000002@emailrob.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: [ fbsd_x11 ] replacing the present intel(4x) driver with a newer one X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:52:58 -0000 dear sir --- i thank you for your reply. i confess that your response leaves me confused. am i to understand that "features" have been removed from the kernel ? during the past three weeks, as i have been migrating from fbsd_4.11 to fbsd_6.4 [ i never trusted the fives ], i have noted the differences between x11r6_4.4 and xorg_7.3. using a ati rage_128 agp_card [ r128(4x) ], i got 1920 x 1200 @ 60 with 24_bit color [ the ati had 32_M of memory on an asus mo_bo with a pentium_3 and 256_M memory running fbsd_4.11 ]. only this morning, due to an unrelated problem, i had a w98se hd in that same box; it produces 1920 x 1200 @ 60 using 24_bit. further, i can make the desktop 1920 x 1440 [ hmmm ... , 4x3, go figure ]. given the relationship between intel and lose_dows, i can't imagine an intel chip_set on an intel mo_bo not being able to perform this task. isn't this a "solved problem", like 100_megabit lan_speed ? ok. let me take this information at face value; that something about the f_6.4 kernel, on an intel chip_set [ g41 / g31 ], with an "intel" driver [ is this an xorg internal project ? ], can't do something --elementary--. what about those "vesa" drivers ? the one i am using supports 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024 and 1600x1200 [ @ 60_f, 24_b ]. i know; i have tried them all. the "xorg.log" file suggests that it has heard of 1920x1200, although i can not get it to do this. it seems that it can only do its "built_in" modes. does anyone know if later versions of this driver have such a mode "built_in" ? i am dreading having to re_arrange my schedule, in order to download tarballs so that i can try this myself, one after another, until i find success or throw up my hands in disgust. my killer_app depends on having a large terminal interface. it is important to use inexpensive, but, none_the_less, name_brand, hardware. perhaps, i will have to select a different chip_set. i may have to build a fbsd_7.3 test_box, even though i am not ready, yet, to commit to the sevens. in the mean_while .... have you any further thoughts ? are there any thoughts from others on this list ? again, tia [ please cc ]. rob ps --- i almost forgot; sorry. at my age, waiting ten years is not an option. i appreciate your confidence, however. Paul B Mahol wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:47 AM, spellberg_robert > wrote: > >>greetings all --- >> >>the point of this inquiry is to learn if >> i am on the right track in my thinking, >> before i start doing a lot of work. [ big_snip ] >>question : >> >> if i download, extract, read the "readme", verify that it supports the chipset, >> et cetera, et cetera, et cetera [ in the usual way ]; >> >--> if i cause a newer driver to be found by >> >--> the x 7.3 on fbsd 6.4 or >> >--> the x 7.4 on fbsd 7.3; >> am i likely to have success in being able to use the newer driver >> [ because it recognizes the chipset ], >> perhaps, getting the 320 pixels that i desire and, >> perhaps, getting a bunch o' extra_features >> [ of which i am presently un_aware ] ? >> >> or >> >> is this version of x so "tightly wound" that >> i would have to change way_too_many_things to get this idea to work, >> reducing this to be too much effort for the result ? > I don't really know what driver version will work for you but newest > intel drivers(newer than in ports) are not supported at all because of > missing features in FreeBSD kernel. It is possible (not easy) to > backport new version of driver to current kernel state. > > IMHO current Xorg is one big mess, wait another 10 years until it grows up.