From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 15 08:04:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C5F16A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBC343D48 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:04:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3FF4Mkj041462; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:04:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:05:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20040415.090519.106533486.imp@bsdimp.com> To: scott@igc.org From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <04041413050408.02105@sandino.dnsalias.org> References: <407D7323.50001@pacbell.net> <04041413050408.02105@sandino.dnsalias.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hams Report 85-mile 802.11b File Transfers @ Oregon X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:04:24 -0000 In message: <04041413050408.02105@sandino.dnsalias.org> Scott Weikart writes: : I would assume the hams used directional antennas on both ends, and : carefully pointed the antennas at each other. : : So, this may have little relevance to monitoring people's : mostly-omnidirectional wireless LANs. Well, maybe you could so some : math to make the ham's numbers scale, but I would guess there are : more direct methods to measure/compute risk. Well, if I put a 30dBm dish on my end, then you still have a problem. I had a 24dBm dish that I played around with from the water tower near my house. I saw like 300 different networks... Not all of them well, but if I really wanted to eaves drop on any of them, I could do so... Some of them were confirmed to be a few couple miles away. Warner