From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Feb 19 21:31:38 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09E2CE63F7 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2017 21:31:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scratch65535@att.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDCBD32 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2017 21:31:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scratch65535@att.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id CF24FCE63F6; Sun, 19 Feb 2017 21:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFCECE63F5 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2017 21:31:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scratch65535@att.net) Received: from nm18-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.62.65]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1B9CD30 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2017 21:31:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scratch65535@att.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1487539725; bh=S6s0vpyZ8u3sBwcvTQDWduBHTYZPJG6k0AOIyzGNVss=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=J3pw17QtGdLfKQEJqF9yQUdF+MAWTeM1ImIJGUPZhcoDoevYmFSYu9hToF1QzgTN5tykUMFuuwHpZgB++/iIz1vk8imM09Ri0TesP/CmQG+80k7ZKKck/fhZHP84wOpyMbr5KYN69Th+e5D08S1jb11WOEVvyivb/jOZChImzLM= Received: from [216.39.60.173] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2017 21:28:45 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.146] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2017 21:28:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2017 21:28:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 791122.26468.bm@smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 1Y6MLqcVM1mLUDp4_o0vR402eEdj5BoQTosXQ2I3_.li1Ww 9hnWLvQ7KpCCI78wchTG7.O.6p7lbjWFg2y_UgVFG9LrZy81lx5HP6NbQpkQ M.xwp2twga.AQe6r9VstwLw971Dd17nXy0.NnYcGlFLGgbiQfI70SRMEqL6Y LEc7cDn8Dew4iTp9gyY.Z3Byl2PWd4IAmxk41Sa4QRj4bXhLN2d5_7HNP5u9 iEAWc1qjmKk0mUxAM6SaHLxcDzI9Kfdfj_2QydC0pzD1q0Iqeq4TFJxhT4fj pm1DcrYjvpAVv45JFyu.E06R5bgq2XsIx2v.hvqm_6AcDf586pn8onDOe59S HS0sBE7QMV4IlN7WoTMFQ4sU4gZE7q1sKwbARp_HfNdlmaGpJkEw0MwK6MAW KTR0KT6kkt_TR.bdJMGur_Owb4yU84UBzujk7aYyqzOriN0jBgbt2xwsX2Rd AncMlwkDA3pdQfWiqw6w1ClY.ZLCit.mSddBbYc_uUGbM6IM2zpDTRn2DdWn RzERtX.znqnFbNnao6LKNWqXwTFtDYBe.PDWqR1Zr6W6CyZpaQ7AvM2A- X-Yahoo-SMTP: pPvqnOaswBBbYZLVYFzvU7GaowLcbNioPp.aF8KvOjZk From: To: freebsd-ports Cc: "C Hutchinson" Subject: Re: Install of pkg fuse-ntfs fails because of undefined symbol in pkg!?! Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 16:28:50 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1c6cccac-b151-d13c-c763-b336c4680118@freebsd.org> <35a953e3-918b-fc32-d990-51f7da16c884@FreeBSD.org> <20170209161249.GL2092@kib.kiev.ua> <20170209162600.GP13006@home.opsec.eu> <20170210164615.GQ13006@home.opsec.eu>, <5be4963b058a6200d3d817cbe7142540@ultimatedns.net> In-Reply-To: <5be4963b058a6200d3d817cbe7142540@ultimatedns.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 21:31:39 -0000 On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 13:44:10 -0800, "C Hutchinson" wrote: >> I trained as a clinical psychologist, not in computer science or >> ee. We learned that adults are notoriously resistant to change >This is a very astute observation. One I recognized as an absolute; >some two and a half decades ago, myself. Well done! Beat y'to it -- my doc training was >4 decades ago. Neener neener! :-) > >> (not that we hadn't noticed that ourselves, most of us, but it >> was nice to have it confirmed "officially"). >> >> But change is possible, even for adults. The key to change is to >> realise, at the gut level, that change *is* possible, that things >> need *not* always be as they are now. That life really truly >> can be better. >> >> That's really hard for most adults to believe. The prospect of >> change is terrifying because it threatens us with loss of >> control. >The largest fail in recent history, in this regard was pkg(8). >Not that pkg itself is bad, per se; but in the way it was >"presented". Or rather "dropped" like a bomb. Without having >been "vetted" prior, by those that would now be /required/ to use >it -- not an option. That's another side-effect of moving too fast: the certainty that sacrificing accountability and buy-in is not only necessary, but justified. The stakeholder community becomes a threat to the success of the program rather than a necessary part of it. (It's interesting, also horrible, that the same dynamic operates in other domains too. See, e.g., Mayer, M. "They Thought They Were Free".) > >The "magic bullet" is when the "change" is perceived as being a >change they "wanted", or "asked for". >FreeBSD has seen *many* requests for change(s) over the years. >Most of which are dismissed, ignored, or outright rejected. >Even tho many were variations of the same. >Solution? /Listen/ to those requests. Perform a pattern match >to discover similarities in requests, and propose what could >be perceived "feasible" implementations of those requests. Then >implement them, and you'll gain a enthusiastic following. >Period. Yep. The problem with implementing any such solution is that the majority of technical people --I think I can extrapolate from those I've met and worked with in my 40+ industry years-- are focused on tech issues as an end in themselves. The idea that the users of their products are mostly not technical and have very different yet fully legitimate --more legitimate than their own, really-- desires and needs for the systems being built is just not very important compared to solving the hard technical problems they contend with every day. And so they don't want to know. >> But that doesn't mean we're currently doing the right things to >> regain share from Linux and save FreeBSD. > >This is NOT, nor has never has been a "Linux vs BSD" thing. Linux >is not UNIX. Ahem... Let me rephrase that; >This is NOT a Linux vs BSD thing, anymore than a Windows vs BSD >thing. >This is an "Operating System of choice" thing. If your OS provides >what a majority of what people need, and want; you're successful, >and popular. It's as simple as that. Sure. But in practice it is Linux vs BSD because those are now effectively the only 2 Unixoid games in town.