From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Tue Dec 4 05:05:49 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A7F1324212 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 05:05:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x82d.google.com (mail-qt1-x82d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75626845A7 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 05:05:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x82d.google.com with SMTP id p17so16668992qtl.5 for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 21:05:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Xm+bzr1XSbnO/ax1r5+/Gb2NNUBYG/U6F+Fa5Lvx708=; b=gyu0czv4Th66va9qOTblOFA8MGv2cQT/GoT61bQjoDBKNSBwqR+KRPunFke3nu/3Ji OIdfD9fFneL15XL99xdQEWsezqukGD/gA7KZ7o96WoZVQi8p8LIrzKtSqAp/6YXZBwNw HYeQC1TimdMCsQSbT89QExkiypXm7KTFlg8mjymSrj4gbK5xenLiRyUZjPq1wzzka/2t 4+pJnZbA82i3CZZumrs37hVglBr0+2wKQM13uEpMBVTfrmPA1VNDTmf+BdEpqNdJyvl7 UUqe8hVj3kmWQHKd/15ze/buyagCBo/3ibLrlN46Ev0Ee5qXjuqV8/Yew/6CdxJQfjJu gCkw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Xm+bzr1XSbnO/ax1r5+/Gb2NNUBYG/U6F+Fa5Lvx708=; b=r+FqfiKgiUXqgTDtNq3kZxRzdl3OZJn9khb95pkzy8B7h2yeY5OIgbZqs+zI0xymio V7tdWC78wgIKbiCZ7oZV8Aw0aTVbqXIA2LiJEJnGZR7oeXqEQp+iHLriP5rKUSl5kyja QWCI0Sb+5UVzSGkXcWI2TPFBBliMJnL4eRbs7XErTo6MSnhSK0eBu8aEpKmm3tmbxHsr gRrfPGa6YDTEZ/MOebdEdbRKa8+8U7hrRYylhNYQNtsiLvtqQkmLu7WWOKIF+KCtXs/b Ngeh8SygsOlTJmGYpaIzP/AJGWc0vKLjKBwNpUzEOlxL2DlVTN7BocQxyoDFNKOkLN+V EmYQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbBQUNmKJynoaQD6OuNp9ZDthDz4+QzMjHjOd9ZG3772QN2tMCO iusS2clmJWmq0gC6I+Itlbhg1OWseuPsWmUX88JJ3/iM1qQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/W70KSDf6yY6G87yhxHelaHRy9GHnEhApE8EKssGelrWdNTB4IeeyOIWhrlySmY25zzDb5NBFQC4wl75ihBnuA= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:f143:: with SMTP id y3mr18771998qvl.21.1543899947645; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 21:05:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 22:05:36 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Graphics group meeting minutes November 21 To: FreeBSD X11 mailing list X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 75626845A7 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.42 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.994,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-x11@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: ALT1.aspmx.l.google.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[d.2.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.84)[-0.838,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.58)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.55), asn: 15169(-1.27), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 05:05:49 -0000 The graphics group had another get together via hangouts. Here's the less tardy meeting minutes from that. The next meeting is December 5. Warner P.S. Sorry for using 11/7 for the November 7th meeting... I forget it's an international audience sometimes. 2018-11-21: Next meeting - Drm-legacy, status update from FreeBSD 12 - Nothing new to report, mostly working. We need more docs, but this is likely as good as it gets. It requires the xf86-video-ati-legacy DDX = when using ATI/AMD cards. May also need to add a note about the =E2=80=98video=E2=80=99 group so they can use the acceleration. This is true for drm-* and is importan= t to get good performance. - Drm-stable, drm-next and default version in 12 - What=E2=80=99s today drm-next will be the version for 11.2. (we can r= etire drm-stable) - Is drm-devel stable enough for 12.0? 4.16 will be the default version for 12, 4.11 will be backup 12.0. Can=E2=80=99t guarantee 4.11 will w= ork for the life of the 12 branch, but will work for a transition period around t= he release. - Different drm ports for different FreeBSD versions - As the number of releases supported by drm drivers increase we need to reduce maintenance burden. It=E2=80=99s not manageable to have the= same code branch build for all releases. (Johannes L) - Manage this by creating a 4.16-12.0 (which is locked), 4.16-13. If changes are needed for 12.1 when it comes, we make a 4.16-12.1 branch= . - Only drm-devel for current to keep support load manageable. - For each version cut one version. Drm-devel for current. Latest changes land in drm-experimental that we iterate on until it=E2=80=99= s ready to become the next drm-devel. - https://reviews.freebsd.org/D18328 - Release notes - Needs to be written. Niclas to do it, the rest to review. Will be put on github for review, then marshalled in to FreeBSD. - Bumping llvm version in mesa - Bumping it to llvm70, running on one laptop for a few hours and things aren=E2=80=99t terrible. More testing needed, especially on AM= D. Make go/nogo call next graphics meeting, or sooner. - https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D230789 - Input stack - progress update - Not much to report, not much work done on it. Hopes progress made this weekend. - Evdev in GENERIC - Committed i386, amd64, powerpc and powerpc64 (i386, amd64 merged to 12). - Other architectures possible, but users need to contact Niclas to get them added. - I386 and ppc64 support in drm-devel-kmod - Ppc64: Linux ioremap takes a raw resource, so we needed a bus helper to do the translations on ppc64=E2=80=99s different domains. Changes = need to be upstreamed and reconciled with Baldwin=E2=80=99s proposals. Also need= some memory barriers needed. - I386 support in and working, as far as we know. - Plan to turn off build by default for i386 and amd64 in the next week in 13.0. Sometime after the first of the year we=E2=80=99ll trim thin= gs further in head. - Documentation and new wiki page - https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics2 - New blog here https://freebsddesktop.github.io/ - General reorganization to help people understand more easily. This includes a FAQ with the gotchas like DDX matching, tables for support= ed devices, etc. This is the user-facing documentation. - Will need to have a developer=E2=80=99s resource to help people find = things, do testing, understand the general state of things. - Should be in good enough state before 12.0 RELEASE to have the cut-over done. We=E2=80=99ll move old stuff away and move Graphics2 -= > Graphics when over the weekend sometime. - Testing - CI compile testing to make sure that we still build on each of the supported 12.x releases. Suggested loading modules to catch missing symbols, etc. - Further discussions deferred to next meeting. - Mesa 18.3.0 - Defer until next meeting. Still in RC phase and patches are available. Needs more testing and we=E2=80=99ll talk about next time. - https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D233034 - Quarterly status report - Started new branch in the freebsddesktop repo so we can keep a =E2=80=98ticker=E2=80=99 going of important things so we can remember= come January when it=E2=80=99s time to do a report. Can be found here: https://github.com/FreeBSDDesktop/freebsd-quarterly/blob/2018Q4/2018q= 4/graphics.md Attended: Niclas Zeising (zeising@) Johannes Lundberg Warner Losh (imp@) Matt Macy (mmacy@) Pete Wright Johannes M. Dietrich (jmd@)