From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 2 19:15:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0745216A4CE for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:15:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB8243D31 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:15:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i233FKUA081635; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 05:15:20 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost)i233FK7Y081632; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 05:15:20 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 05:15:20 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: ".VWV." In-Reply-To: <003801c3ffeb$f1b4c7e0$7a30fea9@workstation> Message-ID: <20040303050313.M79809@haldjas.folklore.ee> References: <003801c3ffeb$f1b4c7e0$7a30fea9@workstation> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=8.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on haldjas.folklore.ee cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: desktops and 'sysinstall' X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 03:15:50 -0000 On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, .VWV. wrote: > > As for the desktops, the problem is the same like on Linuxes: there is no > kind of standard. > I have ever trusted the GTKstep and the KDEstep - now NEWstep from David > Johnson - as the 'standard' visual frontends. > There is *ONLY* one way - you establish the standard for your desktop distro - * pick gnome or kde [1] * make sure it gets installed by default and that the other is not included * pick one good tool to do anything * integration, integration, integration (everything should for example use the same way to print so there is only one place to configure it, and its nicely graphic so your grandmother can do it) * anything that doesn't absolutely seamlessly fit in should be allowed in only on pain of pain. * if you can at all, throw everything from previous step out * make anything obviously non-core an optional package. * don't make things that don't fit the grand scheme optional packages - just leave them out. This may be highly herectical, but get the Sun JDS demo CD and try it out. Its not ideal but moving in the right direction. [1] realistcly, following the next steps is very hard if you don't pick one of these two > > .VWV. >