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In message <C876701D-6E4A-403F-A07D-52B45DD4E96C@bsdimp.com>, Warner Losh write
s:

>> I think at this time, we can either religiously stick to POSIX
>> and become irellevant with it, or we can develop our APIs to
>> become useful and desirable, and have a chance to survive.
>
>Doesn't __BSD_VISIBLE do just that?

That was not my impression, but I may be wrong on that.


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