From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 26 01:27:41 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7B247AC7D for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2020 01:27:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ChKrD0jwlz4l46 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2020 01:27:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.231.62]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N4vFE-1kGppn3Vpc-010rSj; Thu, 26 Nov 2020 02:27:15 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 02:27:14 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Andy Farkas Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Console resolution/font size Message-Id: <20201126022714.5f211cf2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <9a256802-0af1-3fa6-fd5a-2d26636669c7@andyit.com.au> References: <20201125020318.30f5921d6fee3e267945a243@3dresearch.com> <20201125120342.642137e5543f8d9ee25d84a9@3dresearch.com> <20201125191258.6130f490.freebsd@edvax.de> <9a256802-0af1-3fa6-fd5a-2d26636669c7@andyit.com.au> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:aepA+r8Z0QNz6KBo1P/3usvyRJqBU0onwzblhZ6vkzP/2J8H5OO 9Aen4VRf04cCdvEIFN0AC+Rb7FeT7zT+CWfaMWKCLWc93ZitWblly3oNWqK3BkCm7EbHgbg O7NwC86PHLO/gkslWah07PQTM7nVMTQODCpbZbPC9K7Yv28x6eNRJBj5rOFtC+jVn+6dwAh N2Kmrwpv3223g9Eq3QZrw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:fD7HdfcLL4s=:pa4M1DDaWlGVWm35A4z2pH t1KpGfI/gISSIMzogfTXCroChMU+Jw/ROlfLIcipYcacAITTVjhEBFVTzPAi4GNLyt37W6iA3 BD2vqK0LWVVt4Rlm8SIZTaEofvPOKvMPykPOKtYVq/PZKRghFmBs+Zq0d7UV1JpB2+nmMlkqQ r0fQ3zL5EVsQw6gHYxYemMrsHwRFsIDYMFv/TX1xbSVSVQQeeDeKNIGxLg0oYH9TRGrqKVwAU zwpo4INj3LBCy4VLWMsPexdNyV2lWxsdaH4SnUVLL2rM0dgDdk5IWw7qSbjuc4D8a7KynJLsB 99QC+gME0iU1khiAL2BKOg5QG6EZe1fbeMRsOVDecze/S8XkVWJXTbSX1UXnycLc/0W7vokaW rXsQTw7b5sx+mf7emZfMxjmDU3PI8YIx/NXtwSF8/3mi2dmpag1mCjpbUqLjz X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4ChKrD0jwlz4l46 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.133) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.60 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.5.231.62:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[212.227.126.133:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[212.227.126.133:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.133:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.133:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 01:27:41 -0000 On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 09:39:26 +1000, Andy Farkas wrote: > On 2020-11-26 04:12, Polytropon wrote: > > > ... vt can still not sufficiently do what > > sc could do for decades. > > > The most annoying thing that vt does not do is put the > > screen to sleep. > > > In /etc/rc.conf I have: > > > blanktime="900" > cursor="blink" > saver="green" > > > which works with sc but not vt. It also does not support non-UTF-8 encodings such as ISO-8859-1. Also scrolling buffer does not fully work, mouse cursor does not fully work, and therefore, copy / paste is often problematic. And it ties to X, so if I understood the documentation correctly, you cannot switch back to sc _and_ use X on the same system. Of course soon you cannot even use sc even on textmode-only systems as modern graphic cards, chips, or CPU components (APUs) will not contain their own charsets anymore. The removal of text mode also removes the contrast from the colors (compare colors of sc and vt, they're not the same) as well as the ability to call a specific screen size in characters (such as 80x25 or 132x43) - now you have to experiment with fonts vs. screen sizes in pixels vs. what your display thinks it should do. So this is a good time to be reminded that the future of text mode is using X. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...