From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 12:00:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD72A37B401 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mindfields.energyhq.es.eu.org (73.Red-213-97-200.pooles.rima-tde.net [213.97.200.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDF643F75 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:00:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org) Received: from scienide.energyhq.es.eu.org (scienide.energyhq.es.eu.org [192.168.100.1]) by mindfields.energyhq.es.eu.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A36C631C0A for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:00:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:59:57 +0200 From: Miguel Mendez To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030618205957.60223a73.flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org> In-Reply-To: <20030618180737.GA32363@rfc822.net> References: <3EF061D9.7000609@potentialtech.com> <200306181612.KAA21256@lariat.org> <20030618165119.GA31988@rfc822.net> <3EF0A086.6000103@potentialtech.com> <20030618173637.GB32151@rfc822.net> <3EF0A88A.6040002@potentialtech.com> <20030618180737.GA32363@rfc822.net> Organization: Energyhq X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.2 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="=.jU0Aiz84nbfO?4" Subject: Java (was: Re: bsd daemon chick wallpaper??) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:00:06 -0000 --=.jU0Aiz84nbfO?4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:07:37 -0500 Pete Ehlke wrote: > What's even more amazing is how quickly even the most carefully, > tightly crafted java script (yes, script. java is *interpreted*, > dammit) can eat up 384 Mb of RAM. Hmm, have you ever heard of JIT compilers? The gcc guys also have the gcj project, but I'm not up to date on its status. > "An 11 Mb RSS and 10 second startup time just to say 'Hello world'. > That's not too bad, really, is it?" I know you're joking here, but java shines in the server side in cases where cpu is hardly the bottleneck. Or do you write your business middleware in C? As I got into the subject, java has gotten a bad image partly thanks to abominations like Swing. Those who have played or used those nifty java interfaces like the Volume Manager UI or Forte for java will surely know what I'm talking about. Extremely slow interfaces that love crashing. I'm not really a big java fan myself, but it has its place, and it's not in the desktop IMHO. Cheers, -- Miguel Mendez - flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org EnergyHQ :: http://www.energyhq.tk Tired of Spam? -> http://www.trustic.com --=.jU0Aiz84nbfO?4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+8LawnLctrNyFFPERAtbGAJ0YbHi6/K+9UMV2s5Fcw+4ThQTZvgCgq0YE HT1WYtSUPgx4HpS/tckzbNM= =grPP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.jU0Aiz84nbfO?4--