Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 16:21:46 -0800 From: Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com> To: Tomoaki AOKI <junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp> Cc: Steve Rikli <sr@genyosha.net>, louis.freebsd@xs4all.nl, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DESPARATE: How to stop FreeBSD form sleeping / disable ACPI? (on FreeBSD14 CURRENT) Message-ID: <CAN6yY1vPcPboJnCKRuMq_eUvRDrYUGuyN3_22WYtx-SEKazdfQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20221114071044.ded87a4bd11f9aa8e948ebcf@dec.sakura.ne.jp> References: <202211130022.2AD0MYiW023709@chez.mckusick.com> <000d01d8f777$42eb10a0$c8c131e0$@xs4all.nl> <Y3Eu/ODt1FnxCwR6@dragon.home.genyosha.net> <20221114071044.ded87a4bd11f9aa8e948ebcf@dec.sakura.ne.jp>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 2:11 PM Tomoaki AOKI <junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp> wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 09:53:00 -0800 > Steve Rikli <sr@genyosha.net> wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 04:47:40PM +0100, louis.freebsd@xs4all.nl wrote: > > > I noticed that after disabling gdm in /etc/rc.conf ^"gdm_enable="N"^ > the system stays active. > > > However ..... that is also the end the GUI .... in this case GNOME. > > > > > > Since I could not work which a machine hibernating every ^10 minutes^, > I have disabled gdm for the moment. > > > That does not take away that that is ...... ridiculous !! > > > > Seems like you aren't alone in that opinion -- there are several threads > > for multiple OSes about this same topic. Kirk's findings below match my > > recollection -- this is Gnome default behavior nowdays. > > > > In any case, since we obviously can't use the Linux systemD settings to > > control the behavior in FreeBSD, a few folks mentioned other workarounds > > with things like dconf; e.g. this suggestion which came originally from > > the Arch linux folks: > > > > https://twitter.com/_neelc/status/1487200568149831681 > > > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GDM#GDM_auto-suspend_(GNOME_3.28) > > > > Something like: > > > > sudo -u gdm dbus-launch gsettings set \ > > org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-ac-type > 'nothing' > > > > >From the threads, it sounds like part of the problem is this behavior > and > > settings are per-user, so making a system-wide change is hard. Not sure > > how this workaround will play in your situation. > > > > My FreeBSD servers don't run a gui display manager; my Debian laptop > > runs gdm3 display manager but I switched to Xfce for the window manager > > around the time Gnome3 came out (too many changes for my taste). Fwiw > > the Xfce Power Manager has controls for system power save / sleep mode > > for "On battery" and "Plugged in", including "never". > > Found these. > > > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/289640/how-to-create-a-default-system-wide-dconf-setting-starting-from-just-created-ad > > > https://askubuntu.com/questions/1038184/how-to-lockdown-system-wide-settings-with-dconf > > /etc/ in those should be read /usr/local/etc/ on FreeBSD. > And possibly defaults of each application are stored > under /usr/local/share/ or under /usr/local/lib/. > > BTW, I'm basically using x11/mate, a fork from Gnome2. > It doesn't sleep by default on AC powerline. > (Old installation succeeding Gnome2 settings. So current default could > be different, though.) > > > > > Cheers, > > sr. > This is the source of foolishness that led to the creation of Linux Mint and to Mate. Mate does not have this stupidness and I suspect that Cinnamon does not, either. Gnome has simply gone off the rails. Another option is to NOT use gdm, but start Gnome with startx, which I have always done. You will need to create a suitable .xinitrc to set up dbus and run X as a child: exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --exit-with-session mate-session Under Linux this stuff is all wrapped around systemd which makes dealing with it a pain. I am not remotely expert on this, but it works OK and I am hoping to figure out a bit more as time is available. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 [-- Attachment #2 --] <div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 2:11 PM Tomoaki AOKI <<a href="mailto:junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp" target="_blank">junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp</a>> wrote:</div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 09:53:00 -0800<br> Steve Rikli <<a href="mailto:sr@genyosha.net" target="_blank">sr@genyosha.net</a>> wrote:<br> <br> > On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 04:47:40PM +0100, <a href="mailto:louis.freebsd@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">louis.freebsd@xs4all.nl</a> wrote:<br> > > I noticed that after disabling gdm in /etc/rc.conf ^"gdm_enable="N"^ the system stays active.<br> > > However ..... that is also the end the GUI .... in this case GNOME.<br> > > <br> > > Since I could not work which a machine hibernating every ^10 minutes^, I have disabled gdm for the moment. <br> > > That does not take away that that is ...... ridiculous !!<br> > <br> > Seems like you aren't alone in that opinion -- there are several threads<br> > for multiple OSes about this same topic. Kirk's findings below match my<br> > recollection -- this is Gnome default behavior nowdays.<br> > <br> > In any case, since we obviously can't use the Linux systemD settings to<br> > control the behavior in FreeBSD, a few folks mentioned other workarounds<br> > with things like dconf; e.g. this suggestion which came originally from<br> > the Arch linux folks:<br> > <br> > <a href="https://twitter.com/_neelc/status/1487200568149831681" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/_neelc/status/1487200568149831681</a><br>; > <br> > <a href="https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GDM#GDM_auto-suspend_(GNOME_3.28)" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GDM#GDM_auto-suspend_(GNOME_3.28)</a><br>; > <br> > Something like:<br> > <br> > sudo -u gdm dbus-launch gsettings set \<br> > org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-ac-type 'nothing'<br> > <br> > >From the threads, it sounds like part of the problem is this behavior and<br> > settings are per-user, so making a system-wide change is hard. Not sure<br> > how this workaround will play in your situation.<br> > <br> > My FreeBSD servers don't run a gui display manager; my Debian laptop<br> > runs gdm3 display manager but I switched to Xfce for the window manager<br> > around the time Gnome3 came out (too many changes for my taste). Fwiw<br> > the Xfce Power Manager has controls for system power save / sleep mode<br> > for "On battery" and "Plugged in", including "never".<br> <br> Found these.<br> <br> <a href="https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/289640/how-to-create-a-default-system-wide-dconf-setting-starting-from-just-created-ad" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/289640/how-to-create-a-default-system-wide-dconf-setting-starting-from-just-created-ad</a><br>; <br> <a href="https://askubuntu.com/questions/1038184/how-to-lockdown-system-wide-settings-with-dconf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://askubuntu.com/questions/1038184/how-to-lockdown-system-wide-settings-with-dconf</a><br>; <br> /etc/ in those should be read /usr/local/etc/ on FreeBSD.<br> And possibly defaults of each application are stored<br> under /usr/local/share/ or under /usr/local/lib/.<br> <br> BTW, I'm basically using x11/mate, a fork from Gnome2.<br> It doesn't sleep by default on AC powerline.<br> (Old installation succeeding Gnome2 settings. So current default could<br> be different, though.)<br> <br> > <br> > Cheers,<br> > sr.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default">This is the source of foolishness that led to the creation of Linux Mint and to Mate. Mate does not have this stupidness and I suspect that Cinnamon does not, either. Gnome has simply gone off the rails. <br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Another option is to NOT use gdm, but start Gnome with startx, which I have always done. You will need to create a suitable .xinitrc to set up dbus and run X as a child:</div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default">exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --exit-with-session mate-session</div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default"> Under Linux this stuff is all wrapped around systemd which makes dealing with it a pain.<br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="gmail_default">I am not remotely expert on this, but it works OK and I am hoping to figure out a bit more as time is available.<br></div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer<br>E-mail: <a href="mailto:rkoberman@gmail.com" target="_blank">rkoberman@gmail.com</a><br></div><div>PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>help
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