From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jul 7 23:23:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.osd.bsdi.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F058537B7FC; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:23:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA58661; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:23:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Brett Glass , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Narvi , Dann Lunsford , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: No port of Opera? (Was: ((FreeBSD : Linux) :: (OS/2 : Windows))) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:16:21 +0200." <20000707211621.C35215@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 23:23:26 -0700 Message-ID: <58658.963037406@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > With the help of the linuxulator we got it easier to ride the hype which > Linux created. > > Now that the hype is reaching its momentum it becomes obvious that > FreeBSD/BSDi is being a major player in the whole ballgame as well. > Have you looked around recently? There's more and more mention and > support for the FreeBSD cause (and indirectly for OpenBSD and NetBSD). I think you should stop trying to talk sense to Brett. As we've already seen in this thread, it just doesn't do any good and he only becomes even more strident and less connected to reality as the thread unwinds. Now, of course, if he wanted to actually convince anyone that he wasn't just smoking crack and this whole "FreeBSD API for Linux" was the way to go (since even Brett is able to see that ISVs aren't going to just drop support for Linux and Go FreeBSD because he says so), he would BACK UP HIS ASSERTIONS THROUGH DEMONSTRATION by implementing said code and then achieving significant ISV buy-in with it. At that point, the rest of us would actually have to agree that yes, despite all odds, he'd been right all along and How About That. However, Brett being Brett, he's not going to do that, he's just going to continue to assert the validity of his own unique arguments with no proof and, when nobody comes forward who's willing to implement all this code for him just because he says it's a good idea, he'll let the topic die down again until he feels up to another rant on the topic. I think Pons and Fleishman demonstrated a similar aptitude for good science and demonstrable claims with their Cold Fusion research a decade or so back. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message